kfay Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s98xxh10xxdjxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MP1♣-P-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass (and will XX if 1♣ is X) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Oops, meant to call it Responding Light. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Huh? I would pass if the ♥10 was the ♥K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass (And I'd pass with stronger hands as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass. Its the wrong vulnerability to monkey around and we have the worst possible kind of hand. Even playing with Matt, I think I'd pass and we respond very light to 1♣. Since its MPs, I think this is by far what the field will do. If you bid, I think you need to show the director an example of a hand that passes 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass. As an aside, but a relevant one (somewhat). I used to play with a guy where the specific auction 1♣-P-1NT showed 2-5 HCP's. The more vulnerable, the more minor cards you needed. So, red-v-white, I experienced a winning auction that may never be repeated. 1♣(standard)-P-1NT(2-5, lots of minor cards)-X-6♣(!!!)-P-P-X-P-P-P. The play of the hand was neat. If a finesse worked, we would make 6♣ but would have set 5♥ or 5♠ one trick. If our finesse failed, 6♣ would be set one trick, for -200, but then 5♥ or 5♠ would have made (-450). Use that for what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=b&n=saxxhkxxd10xcaqj108&w=skqjxhaqjxdq9xxcx&e=s10xh98xdakxck97xx&s=s98xxh10xxdjxxxcxx]399|300|Scoring: MP1♣-P-1♦-X3♣-All pass[/hv] Sitting E/W what are my partner and I supposed to do about this? I feel confident that we're going to make 3NT if we're there. We didn't get a terrible board here, obviously, but it wasn't great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=b&n=saxxhkxxd10xcaqj108&w=skqjxhaqjxdq9xxcx&e=s10xh98xdakxck97xx&s=s98xxh10xxdjxxxcxx]399|300|Scoring: MP1♣-P-1♦-X3♣-All pass[/hv] Sitting E/W what are my partner and I supposed to do about this? I feel confident that we're going to make 3NT if we're there. We didn't get a terrible board here, obviously, but it wasn't great. What to do? West has an auto penalty double of 3♣. Looks like 800 or 1100 country to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 oh right! i didn't even think of that for some reason. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Tough luck. E could double 3♣ if it's penalty but it probably isn't. I think W is too weak for a second double, especially if there is no reason to suspect that S could be this light. This NS pair wasn't bidding very well to put it mildly. This kind of bidding obvious creates a lot of crazy results and some of them will be to the advantage of NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 West has an auto penalty double of 3♣. Looks like 800 or 1100 country to me. Did you read the auction wrong? West made a takeout double for the majors, he can't make a penalty double of 3♣ IMO. If you mean East, I would play his double of 3♣ as responsive. Takeout doubles are not a good agreement against pairs who tend to play 3♣ on a 5-1 fit I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Very clear to me that X be east should be penalty. West has promised (normally) 4-4 in the majors. What is the value of a responsive double in this auction? If east has a major he can bid it. If east really wants west to pick a major he can bid 3♦. On the other hand, a penalty situation is not unusual here since west often has short clubs and east could easily have a stack behind declarer. And west has already doubled once at vulnerable, it's silly to expect him to double again at the three-level without substantial extras. This is not even a fit-showing auction (south never showed any clubs at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 West has an auto penalty double of 3♣. Looks like 800 or 1100 country to me. Did you read the auction wrong? West made a takeout double for the majors, he can't make a penalty double of 3♣ IMO. If you mean East, I would play his double of 3♣ as responsive. Takeout doubles are not a good agreement against pairs who tend to play 3♣ on a 5-1 fit I guess. Arend I didn't read the auction wrong. Some play the double by responder as responsive, but I think thats a minority view. Put it this way, responsive doubles can continue ad absurdum... 1♣ - ? Double would be takeout.. 1♣ - pass - pass - double2♣ - double Responsive right? 1♣ - pass - pass - double3♣ - double Responsive.... 1♣ - pass - pass - double4♣ - double RESPONSIVE? :) 1♣ - pass - pass - double2♣ - pass - pass - 2 major3♣ - ...now? Whats a poor fella to do when he's dealt trump over the bidder when pard is kind enough to make a TOx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Phil, instead of a long post explaining that you didn't read the auction wrong you could have just mentioned that you were talking gabout East not West making a penalty double :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 If East cannot double 3♣ for penalties then at least he can bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 If East cannot double 3♣ for penalties then at least he can bid 3NT. I don't think so. W does not need to have 15 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I know that if I held the East hand I would never pass. So, if you told me that I was not allowed to double, I would bid 3NT. I have made a few 3NT contracts with less than 25 HCP. Besides, partner doubled into a live auction opposite a passed hand. Partner should have a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Even I woulda passed this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Ark, Opponents have shown something like 20 HCP and have an easy lead to set 3 tricks, when I saw the hand 3NT also came to mind, but it was a biased idea, double of 1♦ doesn't need more than 8 HCP (to me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Ark, Opponents have shown something like 20 HCP and have an easy lead to set 3 tricks, when I saw the hand 3NT also came to mind, but it was a biased idea, double of 1♦ doesn't need more than 8 HCP (to me). It takes a heart lead at trick one to beat 3NT. I will always make 3NT on any other lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Phil, instead of a long post explaining that you didn't read the auction wrong you could have just mentioned that you were talking gabout East not West making a penalty double :) Arend I didn't make a long post to explain myself and show you that I didn't read the auction wrong. The point of the post to was to demonstrate how responsive doubles can turn the auction into an endless loop. (There I go again, explaining myself.... ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Ark, Opponents have shown something like 20 HCP and have an easy lead to set 3 tricks, when I saw the hand 3NT also came to mind, but it was a biased idea, double of 1♦ doesn't need more than 8 HCP (to me). It takes a heart lead at trick one to beat 3NT. I will always make 3NT on any other lead. ??, I just said bidding 3NT is biased fro looking the full hand, now you say you make the hand! lol, bidding 3NT is not an option, didnt even see you could go down, so it is not an option even double dummy :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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