han Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saxxxxhxdxxxxxcxx]133|100|(1C) - 1H - (p) - ??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Looks like a pass to me. Must not be right, given the title to the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I pass and have redouble ready if it goes dbl pass pass back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 fearless 1S ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass, wtp? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass. 1♠ feels like a poker bid to me. Someone has a lot of points here. Ready to xx 1H if it comes back my way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 1♠ if it's non forcing. Else pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 easy pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Passssssss :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass. Sorry Justin I cannot understand 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 1♠ would not occur to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass for me as well and yes will xx 1H if that happens. My PD won't likely have a good 17 HCP and 5♥ and 4♠ for a simple overcall, so I won't be missing too many games, and if he does, opener may still bid something. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I like 1♠. Many good effects: (1) Might find a better fit in spades or diamonds. We could make 4♠ if partner has some 4-6 in the majors even without a lot of values over there. (2) Might make it harder for opponents to double us if RHO has a penalty pass in hearts. Usually it's easier to go right if I pass, LHO doubles, and it goes pass-pass and I run, than it is to go right if we continue bidding. (3) Might "steal" the hand if we don't have much in the way of values. (4) Gets a spade lead for a heart through if we end up defending notrumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 i'd respond with this opposite an opening... i'd probably respond 1s with this here too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Pass. Sorry Justin I cannot understand 1♠. np, I hope all my opponents cannot :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 This hand came from a granovetter competitive bidding quiz, a friend forwarded it to me. He passed, but I tried to convince him that bidding is better. Most of the arguments have been given by Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 This is interesting. Like the discussions about light responses and light overcalls. I play those as sound (as I play sound advances) and I think I'm comfortable with this style, but maybe I don't realize what I lose when I pass hands with which Han/Arend and Justin would bid. It strikes me as very difficult to find out which style would ultimately be better for me, or for a particular partnership. Analyzing hands with open cards is not the way to do it, I think, because one of the main issues is how it will affect opps' judgement and that is difficult to be objective about. Trying it out with Jack or similar software won't do it either since the scope for specifying style issues is too crude in the current version. Maybe it will change in the future. I suppose the best way to refine bidding style is playing a lot online with a regular p against good opps. What Han and Arend do, incidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I like 1♠. Many good effects: (1) Might find a better fit in spades or diamonds. We could make 4♠ if partner has some 4-6 in the majors even without a lot of values over there. (2) Might make it harder for opponents to double us if RHO has a penalty pass in hearts. Usually it's easier to go right if I pass, LHO doubles, and it goes pass-pass and I run, than it is to go right if we continue bidding. (3) Might "steal" the hand if we don't have much in the way of values. (4) Gets a spade lead for a heart through if we end up defending notrumps. This arguments are almost just as good for a direct 1♠ opening with this hand, but the problem is still the same, when instead of weak you are strong you have to pay for your lightness. I don't think this is close, give me a Queen somewhere and I'd still pass, but then as Helene says it will become a problem of how comfortable you feel rather than what is theorically best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 My friend forwarded the Granovetter answers, they made a strong case for 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I know I said 1♠ wouldn't occur to me but I have to admit this thread is changing my view... I don't think much bad can happen, what will partner who only overcalled do that is so terrible, double them in something because he expects the world for 1♠? Fluffy you would really pass AQxxx x xxxxx xx? wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 When I said somewhere I was actually imagining it on another suit, there is a limit point where 1♠ is gonna be bid, as always I can be influenced because everyone reopens 1 level biddings where I play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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