awm Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 You hold: ♠AT♥J9♦AQx♣AKQJxx Playing in the bermuda bowl against world class opponents, you get a weak 2♦ opening on your right. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 My first reaction was 3N, but on reflection I like double better. While jumping to 3N tends to show a running suit, it doesn't show a hand this good. However, if I double, then I can bid 3N over 2M, and bid 4♣ over any positive move by partner to try for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 My first reaction was 3N, but on reflection I like double better. While jumping to 3N tends to show a running suit, it doesn't show a hand this good. However, if I double, then I can bid 3N over 2M, and bid 4♣ over any positive move by partner to try for slam. Is (2♦)-DBL-(P)-3M; (P)-4♣ natural or a cue-bid for M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I bid 3NT. Bid what you think you can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 My first reaction was 3N, but on reflection I like double better. While jumping to 3N tends to show a running suit, it doesn't show a hand this good. However, if I double, then I can bid 3N over 2M, and bid 4♣ over any positive move by partner to try for slam. Is (2♦)-DBL-(P)-3M; (P)-4♣ natural or a cue-bid for M? Natural, I would be shocked if there could even be any debate about that. Edit: I didn't answer the question. I prefer double then bidding clubs, I think slam potential is too good for 3NT though I appreciate the reasoning behind that bid. Further edit: I meant bidding clubs if it is an auction where that will be forcing (like if partner bids 3M), obviously if partner bids 2♥ or something I'm too good for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Agree with Arend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I agree with Han, but not with Arend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 When I am at the BB, I will know, what the difference in strength is between: (2♦) 3 NT and(2 ♦) X (pass) 3 Major (pass) 3 NT Heck in this case, I will even know, whether the later case is not serious 3NT and agreeing the major... If x followed by 4 Club shows clubs and X followed 3 NT shows a natural NT, but too strong for a direct 3 NT bid, then we must put all strong raises in the cuebid, with or without a control. We had the discussion before and many people like to play it this way but I am still not convinced that this approach will work for me. I´ll go with a direct 3 NT bid to show this hand. I am allowed to have maximum once in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Dbl followed by 3N is natural as is dbl followed by 4♣. Maybe dbl could lead to a bad result if p jumps to 4M, or bid 4♦over LHO's 3♦ with both majors. I think 3N describes this hand well, but maybe I'm too strong for this. In Croatia I once jumped to 3N over a 1-level opening with a similar hand, and p thought my hand was too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 3NT Quite a good description of my hand IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 easy double, if aprtner bids something encouraging I'll just the the final contract in 6♣ to avoid confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Gotta resist the urge to bid 3NT right away... lol. Dbl, and then we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I think Arend's arguments for double are convincing, but I'm quite sure I'd bid 3N at the table and not think twice about it. For double to be right: - Pard needs to hold 2 of the 3 of the ♠K or ♥AK - Pard needs to be able to ruff our third diamond successfully - Double needs to lead to a sensible sequence to slam, whereas 3N won't. Double can be very wrong if: - Pard wants to insist on a major, holding say a 5-5 in hearts and spades. - It can be wrong if it helps LHO to lead a heart - If pard mis-evaluates. What exactly does double then 3N over 2 major mean versus a direct 3N? I'd say it shows a big balanced hand, not a big source of tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Double, too strong for a direct 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I like 3NT direct here as well. Even tho pard has not yet nominated their hand, the fact that you have a hand that has reasonable expectations to take nine tricks should override any concerns that pard maybe 2 suited with majors. That, and I own a single suited hand (I'd open 3NT, ACOL, with this hand opposite a passed hand) - I really can't tolerate a 5-5 major hand easily. That, and pard never has what I need. Another element to consider is how undefined a double is here in context. A cunning LHO might psyche a major here, or make a lead directing bid of 3♣. You're not only no better off than you were, but it might just talk pard out of a call. I am like Phil here; shortcutting to the sure positive barring something drastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=skq7653hkq84d9ct7&w=s98hat73dj82c9543&e=sj42h652dkt6543c2&s=sathj9daq7cakqj86]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] In the South Africa vs. USA1 Semi-final, 2♦ was opened by South Africa and south chose double. The auction: 2♦ - X - 3♦ - 4♦P - 4nt - P - 5♠ P - 7♣ - P - 7♥A/P They played in the 4-2 fit at the seven level, off the trump ace! Down two. Huge result for SA right? Not exactly... in the other room the USA player opened 3♦, and south also chose double: 3♦ - X - 4♦ - 5♦P - 6♦ - P - 6♠P - 7NT - X - A/P So they played 7NTX, off a cashing ace, down one. Push Board. In the other semi-final match, neither pair was playing a weak two in diamonds. One team had a relatively unobstructed auction to 6NT, and the other reached 6♣ after an artificial 2♣ opening showing either a strong hand or a weak two in diamonds. I would've bid 3NT, for what it's worth. Not clear how easy it is to reach slam after that start, but playing in a grand slam off a cashing ace seems unlikely. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 the pair playing 7N clearly wrongsided the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 For what it's worth, I think north is at fault in both auctions (I chose double, so shocking!) And I refuse to believe these were somehow reasonable and that no one was at fault but it was merely unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I agree with you josh, but I fail to understand the meaning of south's 6♦ followed by 7NT, what was the point of 6♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 There is a nice older lady who plays at my local bridge club. She just had a second place result, and everyone was shocked, but very happy for her. She usually comes in last. My partner and I came in second. I got here tickled by asking when I could sign up for her lesson series. Now, I'm wondering who else signed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 There is a nice older lady who plays at my local bridge club. She just had a second place result, and everyone was shocked, but very happy for her. She usually comes in last. My partner and I came in second. I got here tickled by asking when I could sign up for her lesson series. Now, I'm wondering who else signed up. Now I understand everything. This lady was second. You and your partner had been second.Conclusion: This lady must be your partner- because your are not a lady.... Is she your partner in the other tournements too?Maybe this would put some of your ideas into another light...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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