Mbodell Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=skqj965hjt8djt6c3&s=satha65dak9432cat]133|200|Scoring: IMPS W N E1♣* 3♣ X& P4♦ P 4NT% P6NT All pass * - 16+ unbal or 18+ bal& - 5+ takeout% 1430 KC in diamonds[/hv] Should 6NT there show all 5 kc, is there a better bid to show that? Should North know to go to 7 NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 as far as I know, you show 5 KCs the same way as you show 2: With 5 Heart and 5 Spade. In both cases you can reach the superior contract of 6 Diamonds.True, you may make 7 NT if you can find the queen of Diamonds, but I would prefer to be in 6 Diamond which always make after a normal club lead and often after any other lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I thought you should not ask for key cards if you dont have any ?I am assuming 4NT is asking for diamonds as a suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 5♥ and 5♠ show 2 or 5 keycards without and with the trump queen respectively. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I thought you should not ask for key cards if you dont have any ? Indeed. In principle, you shouldn't. But in some cases it does happen and, as other mentioned, the book bid is 5♥/♠ showing 2.. OR 5 keys :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 to me 4n looks natural, quant there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not a fan of these methods. IME, 3 level negative doubles after a strong club should be GF. Opener's 4♦ implies they aren't. Furthermore, is 3♠ really NF? If it is, I think 4♠ is possible with this hand type too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 What's wrong with an initial 3♠? As for keycard asking without a keycard, I don't see why not. Whether it's a good idea with this hand is a different issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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