kfay Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sa9843h2dkj107caj9&w=sq6hkj43da53c10763&e=skj7haq1095dq862c2&s=s1052h876d94ckq854]399|300|Scoring: IMPW N E SP 1♠ 2♥ 2♠????[/hv] Seems to me that the auction is going to diverge from here. What do you think is the best action by players at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 3H by West, the hand is not worth an inv. raise due to the wastage in spade. Over 3H North will bid 3S, despite holdingonly 5 spades, but the shortage in hearts is compensation enough for the missing trumps. This will end the auction. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 With the West hand, I make a game try by bidding 4♥ (bid game and then try to make it). By bidding 4♥, you give the opponents the last guess. Maybe you will make 4♥, maybe you won't. Maybe they will make 4♠, maybe they won't. But I am not going to give them the chance to find out where they really belong by bidding 3♥ and allowing them to pass, bid 3♠ competitively (i.e., non-invitational) or double (maximal - inviting game). It is unlikely that 4♥ will get doubled, as we rate to have a very strong trump fit. In any event, it turns out that 4♥ is a lucky make. They have to bid 4♠ to salvage any kind of reasonable result over the 4♥ bid, and our side will go plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Count me in for 4H over 2S, they just do the wrong thing so often and don't usually X on this sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I wish you'd give the west hand as a bidding problem, it's too easy to be influenced seeing the whole hand. Not saying any of the 4♥ bids were so far, but nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Well seeing the hands makes me want to bid 4♥, but before that I would only bid 3♥ by West. A slight underbid with 4 trumps maybe, but Q♠ looks to be wasted. As West I can tell that almost everyone else at the table is on minimum values for their bids (assuming ~12 pts for opening, ~12 for 2/1 overcall, ~6 for a 2♠ raise). In particular, this means South is likely close to a minimum for his 2♠ bid, which means he's likely to have exactly 3 spades since with 4 (and likely ♥ shortness since we've got 9+) he might have preempted 3♠. If South's got exactly 3 spades and I've only got 2, partner's fairly likely to have 2-3 spades. With a likely 2 quick spade losers I'm not wild about 4♥s - if somehow we only lose one spade trick it's because partner's got the A or K wasted opposite my short suit with our 5-6 HCP only producing a single spade trick. On minimum hands, I want to have a decent suit to overcall 2♥ with only a 5 card suit. Since West can see the KJ♥, he can pretty much place the A or Q♥, probably both, with East based on both length and suit quality concerns. Thus we're also likely to have duplicated heart values, which means more outside losers. I guess it depends if you're bidding 4♥ to make or as a bluff against 4♠. It might work as a bluff to push them too high, but this only works when they've got extra spades and heart shortness. When they've got extra spades my Q♠ is getting dropped and all our heart values are worth a single trick. Am I really that sure I want to try to push them to 4♠ under these conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Either bid 4♥ or 2NT (invite with (3)4+♥). East should use his judgment in deciding to bid the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I like 2NT as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I wish you'd give the west hand as a bidding problem, it's too easy to be influenced seeing the whole hand. Not saying any of the 4♥ bids were so far, but nonetheless. agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would be more inclined to bid 4♥ with xx in spades than with Qx. My possession of their Queen, in a context in which it is unlikely to be a working card (how should I know partner has KJx?) means they rate to hold other values of a defensive nature. As it is, I can't honestly answer what I would bid at the table, but I suspect it would be only 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I would definitely have bid 3H at the table. But seeing the hand (fairly normal) and other views I'm not so sure about my evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 At the table I'd probably have gone "2NT" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 2NT heart invite for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 At the table I'd probably have gone "2NT" 2NT as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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