Fluffy Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 All Vulnrable, dealer South. 2/1 S - N1♠-2♥4♦*-4NT5♠*-6♥7♥ ♠AQ752♥KJ1064♦7♣73 1♠: You had a 2♦ weak major 2 suiter avaible as an alternative.4♦: Splinter5♠: 2 Keycards and the trump queen (or lenght equivalent)7♥: Idiotic bid, hope you didn't reach that far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 1S - fine. This is too strong for a weak major 2 suited opening, even vulnerable. 4D - presumably you play that 3H would cover most semi-balanced hands with support, 4H would be a picture jump, showing good spades and hearts and no outside control? If so, I don't see any real alternatives, although I prefer to have something in clubs for making a splinter. 5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most. 7H - err? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 4♦ is obviously a matter of style. It's ok with me. 5♠ is correct. A known 10-card fit means that the queen cannot be lost. Not sure if I agree 100% with this because if we miss A and Q we have to guess the trump suit, but that's the idea. I vited 7♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 there's no option 20%4♦, 80%7♥. i think it's just a tad light for the splinter, but i guess all the other alternatives suck too... 7♥ is just plain undisciplined and a partnership trust breach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most. is partner really asking with only one keycard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Certainly possible: KxAxxxxxxxKQJ opposite a diamond splinter I'd be rolling out the old black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 you can also add the ♥Q, the question is how unlikelly this hand is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Well, given the key card ask after the splinter, that suggests a lack of wastage in the diamond suit. I don't think it's that unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I have absolutely no problem with the bidding until the final call. 7♥ is not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 no way south can bid 7♥, his other bidding is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 fine until 7H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I'd not have bid 4♦. But that's a question of style and agreements. OK if it fit partner's expectations. 7♥ simply doesn't exist. No reason to belive all keycards are there (in fact one should be missing when partner doesn't bid 5NT vs an unlimited hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most. err... Partner shouldn't be blackwooding if he can't cope with one of the responses.I agree with 5♠.7♥ is obviously idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 What was partner's hand? Would 6H have made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Why even ask this question Gonzalo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 5S - presumably the idea is that 5 card heart support is enough to have the trump queen? The trouble is that if you are off 2 key cards, the 5S response will take you too high. I guess this is why people play kick back. Given I have a real minimum in high cards, I think I'll blame this bid the most. err... Partner shouldn't be blackwooding if he can't cope with one of the responses.I agree with 5♠.7♥ is obviously idiotic. If partner has one keycard and the trump queen, it is only a RKCB response with exactly 5 hearts and two keycards that would get him too high, so I wouldn't blame him for that.Still, I agree with the 5♠ reply, as I think it is not so likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 4♦ is aggresive bit would be my call. Good things happen with 10+ trump fits and a 5-5 hand. 5♠ showing the equiv. of the Q is normal with a minimum of a 10 card fit. The 7♥ bid is absolutely insane ! You have nothing undisclosed in this auction and no reason to think that PD, who didn't try 5NT, has first round ♣ control, or that you don't have a loser elsewhere. I wouldn't dream of 7♥ here and am not convinced that 6 is a clear cut make. .. neilkaz .. 100% blame to 7♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 If partner has one keycard and the trump queen, it is only a RKCB response with exactly 5 hearts and two keycards that would get him too high, so I wouldn't blame him for that. The example hand given was Kx Axxxx xxx KQJ. This is an obvious 4S call over 4D. If partner can't key card or bid 5♣ you rate to be off 2 aces.I would have some sympathy if you held Kx AQxxx xxx KQJ but equally I would still expect 4♠ over 4♦ to get the job done if you are making slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 1) Passing or bidding one spade is fine, just talk with partner so they know what an opening bid looks like.2) 4D I think was way too much. 3H slam try would be just fine if partner knows you open on ten hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I think you missed the point of 1♠ (and others)s Mike, you had a 2♦ opening avaible to show both majors and under-opening strenght, being vulnerable it seemed to me a strong option, but nobody seems to think the same. Pass is out of the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I think you missed the point of 1♠ (and others)s Mike, you had a 2♦ opening avaible to show both majors and under-opening strenght, being vulnerable it seemed to me a strong option, but nobody seems to think the same. TooToo state that pass is "unplayable" in some "standardish" agreed format simply seems closed minded. Pass is out of the picture. Fluffy, I think if you are going to play 2d showing both majors vul, then you need to define what that means. Based on what you wrote it seems it could mean whatever you want it too. I see nothing wrong with pass, if you agree, pass is fine with this hand. In other words yet another post on what an opening hand shows. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Agree with mike777 that it is a partnership matter whether you open the south hand 1S. However, I strongly disagree with mike777 that you still have a minimal hand after partner bids 2H. Suddenly your hand has become really good, and you should not let the fact that you opened light originally stand in the way of showing what you have. So if you think this hand is good enough to open then you should definitely splinter next. This is not a thread about what an opening bid shows. Yes, 1S is a partnership decision but the rest of the auction is clear and 7H is just nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I hope I stated earlier that 3h over 2h is a slam try. In other words prefer to slow things down a bit with 3h rather than splinter and consume space with 4d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I prefer to describe my hand instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Bit surprised so many think 4d splinter think this describes this opening bidhand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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