Chamaco Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 KO Team match, all Vuln,24 boards left, we are behind about 10 imps Pard deals and open 1H, RHO passes You hold AQT9x-x-QJT98x-A You are playing SAYC + conventions (not 2/1).3 diamonds would be a reversed Bergen raise (= 4 card raise in hearts, 6/7-9 hcp). What do you bid ?And what is the plan if pard bids clubs at his second round ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 2♦, what's the problem? Reverse later to show your strength... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 2♦, what's the problem? Reverse later to show your strength... Ok, so 1♥:2♦3♣ What do you bid now ?4♠ is Splinter and 3♠ is 4th suit forcing. If you bid 3♠,pard responds 3NT and you want to investigate slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Well, it is quite alright to begin... 1♥-2♦3♣-3♠ This goes back to the discussion of this exact auction in an earlier thread this week http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...?showtopic=2068. If partner bids 3NT, you rebid 4♠ to show this 6-5 slammy hand If partner rebids 4♣, the same. If partner rebids 4♦, pull out blackwood I would not jump to 4NT with this hand over 3NT (as opposite two small ♦ you have no chance for slam like you did in the earlier hand). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 If partner bids 3NT, you rebid 4♠ to show this 6-5 slammy hand Thanks, this pointer is useful !! But something is still unclear. 1)Would 4♠ be forcing or can be passed ? 2)Opener's hand is something like: KJ8-AQJTx-x-KTxx What shd opener bid after 4♠? Responder needs a cue in diamonds, but textbooks say not to cuebid shortness in partner's length.5♦ could be read as signoff. Or It could be read as honor cuebid, filling the diamonds if responder had AQJTxx rather than QJT9xx.5♣ still leaves the diamonds as a problem for responder. Anyway I think we should be in 6 spades, there are too many chances (dummy reversal or dropping of diamonds honors). Of course one may say that this hand shd not go to slam , but the same questions would arise if opener's hand were a bit stronger: KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx Any thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 A few points here: 1♥-2♦3♣-3♠ This hand KJ8-AQJTx-x-KTxx which you posted does not qualify for a 3C bid. It is about a King short.A more appropriate sequence would be:1H 2D2H 2S2N 3S Responder's sequence is not a weak one, so with KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx I would definitely move after responder's 4S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Exactly, but I think the problem is the original player bid 1♠, his partner bid 2♣ and they got into trouble. When you bid a new suit on 3 level you're strong. So the sequence 1♥-2♦-3♣ is strong, GF, and with this hand you wont have any trouble to find slam after that. If partner is weak, he should rebid 2♥ or 2NT... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Exactly, but I think the problem is the original player bid 1♠, his partner bid 2♣ and they got into trouble. When you bid a new suit on 3 level you're strong. So the sequence 1♥-2♦-3♣ is strong, GF, and with this hand you wont have any trouble to find slam after that. If partner is weak, he should rebid 2♥ or 2NT... Good point. :) Let's assume opener's hand is slightly stronger:KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx which does qualify as a full 3♣ bid. after 1♥:2♦3♣:3♠3NT:4♠ 1) is 4S forcing ?2) how shd the bidding proceed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 This hand is impossible, because I have ♠Q and ♣A... (Good point again? :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Let's assume opener's hand is slightly stronger:KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx which does qualify as a full 3♣ bid. after 1♥:2♦3♣:3♠3NT:4♠ 1) is 4S forcing ? [/Quote] No. But it is strongly invintational. If you want to force, force with 5NT, 5♠, or even stronger invite with 4NT 2) how shd the bidding proceed ? As free pointed out... now you need a new deck, too many club aces and spade queens. Here is a hand from the topflight event today. It falls direclty into the type of hand being discussed in this thread. The results are not scientific, but here is what happened. [hv=d=e&v=b&w=s9hakt76d8ckqt754&e=sat52h83dqj94caj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]3CE+3 -1704HW+1 -6506CW= -13706CW= -13706CW= -13706CW= -1370 The 3♣ contract was a polish ♣ problem. East opened 1♣, the bidding then went 1♣-1♥; 1♠-3♣ all pass... so not relevant to 2/1 discussion. The 4♥ contract had to deal with a 1♠ overcall and a 2♠ raise. So that leaves the 4 slam bids. Two of the fine players started with 2♣, and the other two with 2♥. Here were the auctions... 1♦-2♣3♣-4NT5♥-6♣-all pass 1♦-2♣2♠-3♥4♣-4NT5♥-6♣ all pass 1♦-1♥1♠-2♣2NT-6♣-all pass 1♦-1♥1♠-2♣2NT-3♣3NT-4♦ (4♦alerted as splinter4♠-6♣ All pass How would I have bid this hand? I play Kokish relays after 1♦-2♣. I will not go into the full structure here, but with opener's hand, I can freely raise to 3♣ to show a weak ♣ raise. Finding the fit at the 3 level allows the slam to be quickly bid. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 This hand is impossible, because I have ♠Q and ♣A... (Good point again? :) ) Obviously, in the latter cae, I was referring only to opener's hand, dropping the previous definition of responder's hand B) I was giving up the problem of responder and putting myself in the shoes of opener who should bid after this sequence: 1♥:2♦3♣:3♠3NT:4♠ Holding the given hand:KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx and forgetting the hand I showed you before for responder :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'd bid 5NT, to ask to bid grand with a tophonour ♠. If he doesn't have ♦A, why would he start by bidding 2♦?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'd bid 5NT, to ask to bid grand with a tophonour ♠. If he doesn't have ♦A, why would he start by bidding 2♦?? Thanks ! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'd bid 5NT, to ask to bid grand with a tophonour ♠. If he doesn't have ♦A, why would he start by bidding 2♦?? Is it possible that responder holds AJT9x-x-KQJT9x-K ? Should responder bid differently (rather than bidding 2♦ followed by 3♠ and 4♠) with this hand which is one ace off the grand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 If you reverse a Major you should be slam ambicious. But with the hand you give me (very nice hand btw), you only have a first round control in 1 suit. Also, ♣K might be lost HCP. So with this hand I'd rather choose to bid 1♠ after a 1♥ opening. But yes it might be possible, and you'll lose a lot of imps... However, if your partner showed a 3-5-1-4 (the bidding shows that because of the 5NT bid), your partner is counting on ♦A, so you might want to bid 6♠ and take the blame if it's 7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted February 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Thanks to all who contributed, it was very nice to hear comments, I found bidding this hand very cumbersome :D , so you were all of great help !! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 2 ♦ to start and then after pd responds I will bid ♠ and I will bid ♠ again when it is my turn. Showing a 6-5 hand. Law of symmetry might suggest that pd has similair hand in 2 other suits. there is no rel way or convention to figure out how to bid 6-5 hands like that. And if there is maybe that person should get a life :huh: From my feeling is seems 6 ♦ is probably the best place to play since I only need 1 ♦ honor in pd's hand for the suit to be good. So go as slow as possible and try to find all this out, 7 is still in picture too. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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