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KO Team match, all Vuln,

24 boards left, we are behind about 10 imps

 

Pard deals and open 1H, RHO passes

 

You hold

 

AQT9x-x-QJT98x-A

 

You are playing SAYC + conventions (not 2/1).

3 diamonds would be a reversed Bergen raise (= 4 card raise in hearts, 6/7-9 hcp).

 

What do you bid ?

And what is the plan if pard bids clubs at his second round ?

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2, what's the problem? Reverse later to show your strength...

Ok, so

 

1:2

3

 

What do you bid now ?

4 is Splinter and 3 is 4th suit forcing.

 

If you bid 3,

pard responds 3NT and you want to investigate slam.

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Well, it is quite alright to begin...

 

1-2

3-3

 

This goes back to the discussion of this exact auction in an earlier thread this week http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...?showtopic=2068.

 

If partner bids 3NT, you rebid 4 to show this 6-5 slammy hand

 

If partner rebids 4, the same.

 

If partner rebids 4, pull out blackwood

 

I would not jump to 4NT with this hand over 3NT (as opposite two small you have no chance for slam like you did in the earlier hand).

 

Ben

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If partner bids 3NT, you rebid 4 to show this 6-5 slammy hand

Thanks, this pointer is useful !!

 

But something is still unclear.

 

1)

Would 4 be forcing or can be passed ?

 

2)

Opener's hand is something like:

 

KJ8-AQJTx-x-KTxx

 

What shd opener bid after 4?

 

Responder needs a cue in diamonds, but textbooks say not to cuebid shortness in partner's length.

5 could be read as signoff. Or It could be read as honor cuebid, filling the diamonds if responder had AQJTxx rather than QJT9xx.

5 still leaves the diamonds as a problem for responder.

 

Anyway I think we should be in 6 spades, there are too many chances (dummy reversal or dropping of diamonds honors).

 

Of course one may say that this hand shd not go to slam , but the same questions would arise if opener's hand were a bit stronger:

 

KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx

 

Any thoughts ?

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A few points here:

 

1♥-2♦

3♣-3♠

 

This hand KJ8-AQJTx-x-KTxx which you posted does not qualify for a 3C bid. It is about a King short.

A more appropriate sequence would be:

1H 2D

2H 2S

2N 3S

 

Responder's sequence is not a weak one, so with KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx I would definitely move after responder's 4S bid.

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Exactly, but I think the problem is the original player bid 1, his partner bid 2 and they got into trouble. When you bid a new suit on 3 level you're strong. So the sequence 1-2-3 is strong, GF, and with this hand you wont have any trouble to find slam after that. If partner is weak, he should rebid 2 or 2NT...
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Exactly, but I think the problem is the original player bid 1, his partner bid 2 and they got into trouble.  When you bid a new suit on 3 level you're strong.  So the sequence 1-2-3 is strong, GF, and with this hand you wont have any trouble to find slam after that.  If partner is weak, he should rebid 2 or 2NT...

Good point. :)

 

Let's assume opener's hand is slightly stronger:

KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx

 

which does qualify as a full 3 bid.

 

after

 

1:2

3:3

3NT:4

 

1) is 4S forcing ?

2) how shd the bidding proceed ?

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Let's assume opener's hand is slightly stronger:

KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx

 

which does qualify as a full 3 bid.

 

after

 

1:2

3:3

3NT:4

 

1) is 4S forcing ? [/Quote]

 

No. But it is strongly invintational. If you want to force, force with 5NT, 5, or even stronger invite with 4NT

 

2) how shd the bidding proceed ?

 

As free pointed out... now you need a new deck, too many club aces and spade queens.

Here is a hand from the topflight event today. It falls direclty into the type of hand being discussed in this thread. The results are not scientific, but here is what happened.

 

[hv=d=e&v=b&w=s9hakt76d8ckqt754&e=sat52h83dqj94caj8]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

3CE+3 -170

4HW+1 -650

6CW= -1370

6CW= -1370

6CW= -1370

6CW= -1370

 

The 3 contract was a polish problem. East opened 1, the bidding then went 1-1; 1-3 all pass... so not relevant to 2/1 discussion.

 

The 4 contract had to deal with a 1 overcall and a 2 raise.

 

So that leaves the 4 slam bids. Two of the fine players started with 2, and the other two with 2. Here were the auctions...

 

1-2

3-4NT

5-6-all pass

 

1-2

2-3

4-4NT

5-6 all pass

 

1-1

1-2

2NT-6-all pass

 

1-1

1-2

2NT-3

3NT-4 (4alerted as splinter

4-6 All pass

 

How would I have bid this hand? I play Kokish relays after 1-2. I will not go into the full structure here, but with opener's hand, I can freely raise to 3 to show a weak raise. Finding the fit at the 3 level allows the slam to be quickly bid.

 

Ben

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This hand is impossible, because I have Q and A... (Good point again? :) )

Obviously, in the latter cae, I was referring only to opener's hand, dropping the previous definition of responder's hand B)

 

I was giving up the problem of responder and putting myself in the shoes of opener who should bid after this sequence:

 

1:2

3:3

3NT:4

 

Holding the given hand:

KQ8-AKJTx-x-ATxx

 

and forgetting the hand I showed you before for responder :D

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I'd bid 5NT, to ask to bid grand with a tophonour . If he doesn't have A, why would he start by bidding 2??

Is it possible that responder holds

 

AJT9x-x-KQJT9x-K

 

?

 

Should responder bid differently (rather than bidding 2 followed by 3 and 4) with this hand which is one ace off the grand ?

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If you reverse a Major you should be slam ambicious. But with the hand you give me (very nice hand btw), you only have a first round control in 1 suit. Also, K might be lost HCP. So with this hand I'd rather choose to bid 1 after a 1 opening. But yes it might be possible, and you'll lose a lot of imps...

 

However, if your partner showed a 3-5-1-4 (the bidding shows that because of the 5NT bid), your partner is counting on A, so you might want to bid 6 and take the blame if it's 7...

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  • 2 weeks later...

2 to start and then after pd responds I will bid and I will bid again when it is my turn. Showing a 6-5 hand. Law of symmetry might suggest that pd has similair hand in 2 other suits. there is no rel way or convention to figure out how to bid 6-5 hands like that. And if there is maybe that person should get a life :huh: From my feeling is seems 6 is probably the best place to play since I only need 1 honor in pd's hand for the suit to be good. So go as slow as possible and try to find all this out, 7 is still in picture too.

 

Mike :D

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