What doe sthis bid mean?

[ArcLight]

1♥ P P 2♣

2♥ X

 

In modern bidding, is X Penalty or Negative?

 

The X hand held ♥ K Q J 9 7

 

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How do you bid this?

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You deal and open what?[/hv]

 

A] What do you Open?

 

1♣ - 1♠

2♥ - 2NT

???

 

B] What do you bid now?

[Guest Jlall]

Modern bidding it's probably takeout but I'm sure that a large percentage of experts still play this as penalty.

[rbforster]

I disagree. If you already had a chance to make a takeout double of a suit, double at your second opportunity is logically penalty.

 

On the second question, this is a 2 loser hand. As such, you might want to open it a strong 2C if your style permits. Alternatively, if you like to go with a one level opening, I'd go with 1C...2H, followed up with 3H (promising 5H/6C, C longer) and probably 4C over 3N showing 7/5 shape.

[Guest Jlall]

I disagree. If you already had a chance to make a takeout double of a suit, double at your second opportunity is logically penalty.

This seems to make sense but then you always hold something like KJxx xx KQxxx Jx.

[Finch]

1. This is one of those ones you just have to agree. I play it as take-out where we've discussed it.

 

2. I bid 3H over 2NT unless I'm frightened partner might pass, in which case I bid 4H over 2NT.

[skjaeran]

Undiscussed, this double is penalty.

I'm used to playing it as penalty, but can see the arguments for playing it as t/o.

 

I open the 2nd hand 1♣. Agree with Frances to rebid 3♥ if sure this is forcing, else 4♥.

[ralph23]

1. Double must be penalty without prior agreement otherwise; I can see the argument for making it t/o but would never assume this without prior discussion.

 

2. 3♥.

[ArtK78]

1. Absent an agreement to the contrary, double is for penalties. What else would you do on a hand where you had a penalty double of 1♥ and were hoping that partner would reopen with a double?

 

2. [A] 1♣

 

3♥. If partner bids 3♠ or 3NT, I will bid 4♣.

[Guest Jlall]

1. Absent an agreement to the contrary, double is for penalties. What else would you do on a hand where you had a penalty double of 1♥ and were hoping that partner would reopen with a double?

[whereagles]

1. Robson/Segal:

 

1♥ pass pass 2♣

2♥ dbl = take out

 

1♥ pass 1NT pass

2♥ dbl = penalty

 

Go figure.. lol.

 

2. I never have hands like this, so I'll open whatever crosses my mind.

[Guest Jlall]

1H p 1N p 2H X doesn't seem close, partner hasn't shown any values so your hand that was originally a pass has not been converted into a t/o X