How do you bid this?

[Rossoneri]

[hv=d=s&v=b&s=skj932hdqjt9853c4]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

[gwnn]

oh no, this is horrible.

 

let's try 4♦?

 

horrible horrible.

 

4♦ or pass.

[Blofeld]

Lots of reasonable possibilities. The one that you don't list is 5♦, and I suspect that this is what I'd do at the table, although I'm very willing to be persuaded that this is wrong, as it could easily be too high or the wrong strain.

 

I have some sympathy for opening 2/3♦ with the intention to rebid spades unasked ... though I really hate bidding again having preempted and am not sure I could convince myself to do this.

[skjaeran]

Can't see any other reasonable start than pass.

[joker_gib]

Can't see any other reasonable start than pass.

Totally agree, let's see what they have to say....

[jtfanclub]

[hv=d=s&v=b&s=skj932hdqjt9853c4]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

I'd probably open 2♠, planning to rebid diamonds if necessary. I hate to do it, since I assume the opps will be bidding hearts, and I can bid spades over that later. Oh well.

 

Shows how silly I am.

[jdonn]

Anything but pass is ridiculous to me.

[cherdano]

I open 2 or 3 diamond, planning to bid spades later (if only to annoy Josh).

 

Maybe I should have gotten used to it by now on this forum, but I am still surprised anyone would call anything among pass, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D ridiculous.

[jdonn]

I open 2 or 3 diamond, planning to bid spades later (if only to annoy Josh).

 

Maybe I should have gotten used to it by now on this forum, but I am still surprised anyone would call anything among pass, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D ridiculous.

If someone says "I can't imagine..." then that could surprise you and they are probably just exagerating. But calling those bids ridiculous should hardly be surprising.

[Fluffy]

I never though passing a 7-5 was an alternative, but this one is really tempting.

 

But I won't pass, the reason is that even passing won't help me show my hand, since I don't have 7-5 2-suiters avaible later.

 

So lets preempt, 4♦ looks best.

[Rossoneri]

MickyB and Kueh both told me pass as well, so pass seems to be the majority vote here.

 

I opened 3D. You wouldn't believe what my two opps (LHO a former international and RHO currently still one) told me I should have bid.

[Guest Jlall]

3D planning to later bid spades seems to describe my hand.

[neilkaz]

3D planning to later bid spades seems to describe my hand.

I'm with the young expert on this one. I used to pass these and try to back in later, but it is too hard. Here I'll bid also 3♦ and then call ♠ next turn, most likely at the 4 level since the opps are often at 4♥.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[the hog]

5D for me

[cherdano]

I open 2 or 3 diamond, planning to bid spades later (if only to annoy Josh).

 

Maybe I should have gotten used to it by now on this forum, but I am still surprised anyone would call anything among pass, 2D, 3D, 4D, 5D ridiculous.

If someone says "I can't imagine..." then that could surprise you and they are probably just exagerating. But calling those bids ridiculous should hardly be surprising.

I would say it the other way round. Seeing such bids called ridiculous should be surprising, but unfortunately isn't (not even by good players). OTOH, if someone says "i can't imagine bidding anything but pass here" then that is fine, he is just describing his style after all.

[jdonn]

Seeing such bids called ridiculous should be surprising, but unfortunately isn't.

Why should it be? What you are saying makes no sense to me and seems totally backwards.

[Guest Jlall]

Thanks guys for adding to the thread.

 

The main reason I don't like pass is because you can't describe this after a pass. 5-7 is just tough. Luckily you have spades and diamonds, and you can show a 2 card disparity by preempting and then bidding spades. I really like this approach with this particular hand.

[cherdano]

Seeing such bids called ridiculous should be surprising, but unfortunately isn't.

Why should it be? What you are saying makes no sense to me and seems totally backwards.

Any reasonable person should be able to see that

• any of pass, 2D, 3D, 5D might work very well:
  • Pass might avoid disaster when partner has hearts, or when he has a good hand with a spade fit, and we can show a 2-suiter later etc.
    
  • Starting with 2D or 3D is the best bet to actually describe your hand (you can never describe a 7-5 hand after passing)
    
  • Starting with 5D is obviously most preemptive and has excellent chances for great results such as 5HX down many, or 5DX=, etc.
    

  [*]noone one this forum has enough bridge experience to decide with confidence which of these approaches has the best odds to generate matchpoints.

Thus one would think that noone would call any of those choices ridiculous, as he would just be making a fool out of himself.

 

(Unfortunately, experience tells otherwise.)

[MickyB]

3D planning to later bid spades seems to describe my hand.

Why 3D and not 2D? I'd have thought 2D was less likely to get passed out, and that should be our main concern.

[MickyB]

The main reason I don't like pass is because you can't describe this after a pass.

 

I dunno, if it goes 1♥-P-3♥ back to me, 4♦ sounds very much like a 5-7 :)

 

Of course, if partner bids, it can get very messy.

[jdonn]

Any reasonable person should be able to see that

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• any of pass, 2D, 3D, 5D might work very well:

As might 1♦, 4♠, and 2NT. And those bids are ridiculous. Any reasonable person should be able to see that a bid can still be ridiculous even though it could lead to a good result.

noone one this forum has enough bridge experience to decide with confidence which of these approaches has the best odds to generate matchpoints.

Where do you get this stuff from??

Thus one would think that noone  would call any of those choices ridiculous, as he would just be making a fool out of himself.

 

(Unfortunately, experience tells otherwise.)

There is no reason to resort to not-very-subtle insults just because you are having a bad day or something. I apologize to you that my opinion (I never claimed it was anything more) offends your sensibilities. And I apologize to the others for my role in the hijacking of this thread.

[pclayton]

I like 4♦ followed by 4♠ over 4♥. Thank god we aren't playing NAMYATS :blink:. I think the hand has too much playing strength for 3♦ / 3♠.

 

Pass is reasonable, and that was my first reaction. If the spade suit was weaker, thats what I'd try.

[whereagles]

3♦ + x♠ or a straight 5♦.

[Halo]

Pass

 

Doesn't fit any opener for me.

[TheoKole]

I'd open this hand with 2 spades, which I play with my partner as 5 spades exactly and 4+ cards in a minor suit.

 

Usually we have a good 4 or 5 card suit and if partner is interested in a minor we have relays to procede.

 

With this system I would definetly (spelling? :) ) bid diamonds later on which would give partner, and unfortunetly the opps, a good idea of my hand type.

 

With this type of distribution I'm willing to risk a total misfit with partner's hand, because there could easily be at least a double game for both sides (or at least a good sacrifice for our side) and I hold the spade suit.

 

Cheers,

 

Theo