The Misadventures of Rex and Jay #5645

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In first hand, you are dealt this interesting collection:

 

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=saqjhk104dqj96542c]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

You open 1♦, pesky vulnerable LHO makes a 2♣ overcall, and partner makes a negative double. RHO passes and now it is your second turn.

 

1) What is your rebid?

 

2) How do you expect the auction to go?

 

3) Are you happy or unhappy with the events so far?

 

Thanks to all! :) :lol:

[hrothgar]

1. 2♦

 

2. I expect partner to rebid 2NT and I'll pull this to 3♦. If partner is able to show a major, I'll get excited.

 

3. I'm fairly happy with the auction so far. The 2♣ overcall has improved my hand significantly (LHO's Clubs spots aren't going to take much on defense) Furthermore, partner was able to show both majors.

[whereagles]

Bidding 2♦ as well. If pard pulls this to 2M, I'll raise. If he bids something else, I bid diams (or pass a 3NT bid).

 

Feeling great about my bidding :)

[matmat]

i make a responsive double

 

oh

 

3♣, then.

 

over 3M i bid 4

over 3N i pass

over 3D i bid 3S and take it from there.

 

I dunno.. this hand may play very well in 4M even on a moysian

 

(second choice is 3d... i think this hand is too good for 2d)

[ochinko]

Hm, 2♦ seems obvious yet it doesn't describe my hand well enough. I am in a forced position so I could well have 3 more losers in my hand when bidding 2♦.

 

I can't bid 3♣ as it would mean that I either want to play 3NT if partner stops clubs or that I am 4:4 in the majors (in the last case I'd bid 4♣ over partner's 3NT).

 

I like my hand so much that I bid 3♦. It means 15-17 with six diamonds but the void in opp's suit is too tempting.

 

Over 3M from partner now I bid 4M.

[Fluffy]

3♦ for me (limit)

[pclayton]

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

 

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

[P_Marlowe]

1) 2D

2) no idea

3) neither nor

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Fluffy]

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

 

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already

[pclayton]

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

 

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already

Right and he can't double 3♣ for penalty after:

 

1♦ - 2♣ - dbl - pass

2♦ - 3♣ - ?

[hrothgar]

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

Personally, I'd be worried about game in NT after a 2N rebid.

 

I'm sitting on a 13 count and the hand screams misfit. The partner of the 2♣ bidder couldn't find a raise and I am sitting on a club void.

 

If partner does have clubs, they weren't good enough to pass the 2♣ overcall and convert.

 

My Diamonds aren't going to run without a bunch of help from partner. I think that there's too much work to give serious consideration to 3NT.

[skjaeran]

I rebid 2♦.

 

If partner bid 2NT over this I'll try 3♣. If partner's got a double club stopper I rate his chances in 3NT as good, so I'll pass 3NT. If partner rebids 3♦ I'll pass, since I don't rate my chances in 5♦ good enough.

 

If partner rebid 2M I'll raise him to game.

[Guest Jlall]

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).

[Guest Jlall]

I rebid 2♦.

 

If partner bid 2NT over this I'll try 3♣. If partner's got a double club stopper I rate his chances in 3NT as good, so I'll pass 3NT. If partner rebids 3♦ I'll pass, since I don't rate my chances in 5♦ good enough.

If you bid 2D and partner raises you won't go? You have a slam opposite Kxxx Axx Kxx xxx, why is partner supposed to bid more than 3D with this hand (I know you could have a balaned 11 count with 5 diamonds easily on this auction). This just seems crazy.

[hrothgar]

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).

Hi Justin:

 

I agree that this hand has a lot of playing strength is a fit is found. However, the hand isn't nearly as good absent a fit. (I think that its likely that partner might have a 4=4=1=4 or maybe even a 4-3=1=5 or some such)

 

I worry that a 3♦ rebid would overstate the quality of my Diamond suit. I think that partner should expect that the Diamonds will run if he can provide Hx.

 

2♦ is probably a slight underbid, but it leaves room for partner to introduce a major at the two level or take some other strong action (3♣ or some such).

[keylime]

If I held this hand I go the middle route, the modern 3♣ cuebid. 2D is a slight underbid, 3D is a slight overbid. Why not tell pard you have some interest in BOTH majors?

[whereagles]

No offense meant to anyone, I'm just surprised how different my evaluation of this hand is from most. If someone bid 2D against me I would probably call it "crazy." Partner has shown ostensibly both majors, and usually if not both majors he will have 1 major and some kind of D fit. All of my high cards are working nicely. I have 733 with a void. It just seems like a clear 3D, and if anything I would be worried about missing a game if partner passed (if partner has a 5 card major and a weakish hand).

Disagree with your evaluation. RHO's silence hints at either..

 

- lots of clubs in pard, hence singleton/void diam OR

- lots of pts in pard, in which case you're ok because pard will bid again

 

Besides, 2♦ allows pard to correct to 2M, something he might not want to do opposite 3♦ with, say, a 4513/4504 and 6-7 hcp

[Fluffy]

3♦ is an overbid but thats not why I don't like it. I'd like for LHO to recompete in clubs. A reopening double then describes my hand nicely.

 

If pard rebids 2N, I think I would try 3♣ since I have a max 2♦ rebid and game is possible in either diamonds or 3N.

partner doubled already

Right and he can't double 3♣ for penalty after:

 

1♦ - 2♣ - dbl - pass

2♦ - 3♣ - ?

I missed where you said you were bidding 2♦ before doubling, sorry :).

[Finch]

If I held this hand I go the middle route, the modern 3♣ cuebid. 2D is a slight underbid, 3D is a slight overbid. Why not tell pard you have some interest in BOTH majors?

The problem is that 3♣ is not the middle route, it's basically game forcing while at least 3♦ just shows extras.

 

I agree with Justin this is a very good hand.

[mike777]

2D

 

Very typical problem hand for those who open light.

If we can just get past this round. I can understand 3D.

[mikeh]

I agree with Justin that a quiet 2♦ makes no sense.

 

I am also absolutely sure that I am NOT passing 3N should he bid it over my 3♦ (nor would I bid it or look for it after a pusillanimous 2♦). We need him to have the ♦A, with sufficient length that he can hook the (probable) K onside or play for the drop or he needs the K and 2, count them, 2 stops. While I appreciate that 2♦ followed by 3♣ sends a message, I can't see how partner isn't going to bid 3N over that with Kxx in diamonds, a 10 count and one club stopper, for example. He'll know you need help, but he will think the so-far unbid Kxx in your long suit is that help.

 

This is not a hand that looks for notrump. Furthermore, I wouldn't worry about waiting to find a fit before upgrading: I'm looking at my fit already :P

 

We become so biased against minor suit contracts that I think we tend to strain for 3N too often. This hand is about diamonds... and maybe a lot of them. Ok... opposite xxx Jxxx Axx QJ10, maybe it's about 3N and I'm not getting there. I can handle it :)

[jdonn]

I just don't see 3♦. Sure it's a good hand but not as good as that, the long suit is not running, and partner is likely to be short in diamonds since he has both majors and where are all the clubs? 2♦ it has to be.

[pclayton]

I just don't see 3♦. Sure it's a good hand but not as good as that, the long suit is not running, and partner is likely to be short in diamonds since he has both majors and where are all the clubs? 2♦ it has to be.

Agree (well, I already did :) ).

 

Partner will frequently bid 3N on power without a diamond fit. Wouldn't you with something like: Kxxx, xxxx, x, AQxx? I'd much rather subside in a partial here. Pard will raise with a fit where we can make something higher.

[skjaeran]

I rebid 2♦.

 

If partner bid 2NT over this I'll try 3♣. If partner's got a double club stopper I rate his chances in 3NT as good, so I'll pass 3NT. If partner rebids 3♦ I'll pass, since I don't rate my chances in 5♦ good enough.

If you bid 2D and partner raises you won't go? You have a slam opposite Kxxx Axx Kxx xxx, why is partner supposed to bid more than 3D with this hand (I know you could have a balaned 11 count with 5 diamonds easily on this auction). This just seems crazy.

You're right Justin, passing 3♦ is indeed crazy. Any hand partner raises with should make 5♦ a reasonable contract. So I'd better bid 5♣, showing the void. Having limited the hand with 2♦ partner will raise to slam only with a hand like the one you suggest.

 

I still disagree with jumping to 3♦. That IMO overstates the strenght of the hand and I'd not be very comfortable with passing 3NT from partner, nor my chances if partner should raise to 5♦ (I'm more comfortable with 5♦ than 3NT though).

[mike777]

I can see if you open light then responder may have some problem hands around 8+ through 11 minus where responder is stuck for a rebid and must pass 2D.

 

Playing a 3d responder rebid as 8-13 is unplayable.