kgr Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=e&n=sq9653hq9843d4cq3&s=s72ha6dakqj932c84]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]1♦-1♠3NT-4♥4♠Result: 4♠-5Playing with pick-up partner; Is 3NT with the South hand correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I could see opening 5♦ possibly, but prefer the 1♦ bid. Over 1♠, I think 3NT is reasonable but might consider 3♦ instead. Over 4♥ I think 5♦ should be better than 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3n is reasonable. shows a solidish minor and stopper in the unbid suits. in this case clubs are wide open, so not the best of choices, but still a reasonable gamble. 4h isn't that great of a call, in fact, it's pretty bad. the only time to pull the 3n there is either if you think you have slam or your spade suit is totally worthless and does not provide a stopper for NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 north should pass 3NT but he probably thought it showed a chunky balanced 19 count. it's actually good luck, -250 is better than -1100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 How I see it: He is looking at 8 tricks and countin on you to have one trick and ♣ stop or that opp's don't find that lead. I would leave it there, correcting to ♥ doesn't improve and switch back to ♠ I don't understand since 4♥ seems better Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I would leave it there, correcting to ♥ doesn't improve and switch back to ♠ I don't understand since 4♥ seems better Pedro how does 4h seem better?why can't p be 6♠ 5♥? i think a correction is nearly mandatory there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I would leave it there, correcting to ♥ doesn't improve and switch back to ♠ I don't understand since 4♥ seems better Pedro how does 4h seem better?why can't p be 6♠ 5♥? i think a correction is nearly mandatory there. more than nearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Hi, 3D instead of 3NT is certainly better.He stops hearts, you stop spade, butwho stops clubs? Usually a 3NT rebid by opener shows along running suit, with shortage in responder suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 North misunderstood the 3NT rebid. He thought it was like a good 19 balanced whereas South definitely intended it as a gambling with side stop. Nothing fancy here, except that South should have bid 3♦ if he wasn't sure pard would understand 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 A little lacking in clubs for 3N but still I like it. I would prefer 3D if I had Ax of clubs and xx in hearts. In that case if partner calls 3H over 3D I can happily bid 3NT. With my stops as they are, the last thing I want to hear over a 3D rebid is 3H. Opponents cannot see through cards. Last night, watching the Bermuda Bowl, S was in 1NT wide open in diamonds and holding AKxxx opposite xxx in spades. After the lead, there were three tricks in clubs available. Opponents held the ace of hearts. Declarer won the club, played twice on hearts, ducked. Now there are an obvious 7 tricks. Declarer, however, ducked a spade after which he can be set (spade, heart, five diamonds). He wasn't. Cashing out his seven tricks would have lost imps as the opponents at the OT were in spades making more. Playing as he did, he won imps. The point is that even at the highest level, "can be set" and "will be set" are entirely different statements. So I like 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 how does 4h seem better?why can't p be 6♠ 5♥? i think a correction is nearly mandatory there. Yes it's true :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is horribly wrong. I am astounded that it got such little criticism. Admittedly N should clearly pass 3N, but so what? Is -200 that good a result? and surely that is the expectation single dummy? And that is not 'bad luck'... it is bad bidding. S shows solid, running diamonds and stoppers in the side suits... when the contract is a failure because his club stopper is the well-known powerhouse of xx, it cannot be chalked up to 'unlucky'. And matters could be a lot worse. Give responder a good hand, and now responder may contract for slam. AKQxx Kxx xxx Qx.... my only worry, with that hand opposite 3N, would be missing grand opposite x Ax AKQJxxx Axx...keycard would keep me in small :P Just what is wrong with a jump to 3♦? It is very tough to construct hands on which that call misses good games (not impossible, but no method bids all perfectos). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. I'll go with the wisdom of the elder here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. I'll go with the wisdom of the elder here.... Well I like 3NT. 2-2 :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I would bid 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. I'll go with the wisdom of the elder here.... which one's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. I'll go with the wisdom of the elder here.... which one's that? If you don't know why don't you just look up their profiles? (Actually, haven't looked up Mike's age, but I know he's older than me, probably about ten years older. Justin is half my age.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 3N is totally fine3N is horribly wrong.Glad we got that cleared up. I'll go with the wisdom of the elder here.... which one's that? If you don't know why don't you just look up their profiles? (Actually, haven't looked up Mike's age, but I know he's older than me, probably about ten years older. Justin is half my age.) I'm 54... even tho I sometimes feel a lot older B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 From now on we'll follow Harald's example and refer to you as "the elder". Is that ok with you Mike? B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 We should have a thread where we give everyone nicknames. I shudder to think what would be assigned to me. I already suggested Big Dog for Justin. "The Elder" sounds good for Mike, but it's important to include the "the". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 From now on we'll follow Harald's example and refer to you as "the elder". Is that ok with you Mike? B) I would have given that name to Roland ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I think this is a clear 3DNT rebid. The only other plausible option is 3NTD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 I think 3NT is fully obvious, I wonder what people expect for a 3NT rebid if its not that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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