Live from Shangai !

[Zmud99]

Hi all!

 

I have arrived at Shangai for 2 days and the pressure starts to go up.

 

This year I decided to try to make a blog on the championships and I would try to bring up to date it as often as possible… there will be videos and many pictures because unfortunately it will be exclusively in French….

 

Concerning the organization of Vugraph, we move towards a formula which would be: 3 matches/rounds

 

the matches would be:

1) the official match on the site

2) a match which I can choose

3) a match which “would be bought” by a country which would like to broadcast his match

 

we does not control the 1) nor the 3) ..... and I propose a poll through this forum to decide the 2)

 

nevertheless the 3) will be from time to time free if no team “buys” a broadcast….

 

I would answer of course all your questions about Vugraph as soon as I would have a little time….

 

First 3 Matches are : China vs Argentina

USA1 vs USA2

Norway vs Sweden

 

While waiting do not hesitate to go to visit my blog… either to learn French….or try to recognize friends at the venue.

 

Shangai Inside

 

See you Folks ! :P

[Guest Jlall]

Nice, thanks!

[Walddk]

To avoid confusion, the list below is provisional. The matches in rounds 2 and 3 to be found when you scroll down.

 

Since we can't know about 1) and 3), I am going to offer three matches as "ours" (2) for each round from 2-21. Some of the official matches will likely be from the Venice Cup (women), so I have not chosen any from the VC as 2). All matches below are from the Bermuda Bowl. Please select:

 

Round 2:

Italy v Poland, Brazil v Indonesia, Netherlands v Australia.

 

Round 3:

Ireland v USA2, China v Italy, India v Egypt.

 

Round 4:

Netherlands v Canada, Chinese Taipei v China, Argentina v Norway.

 

Round 5:

Indonesia v Italy, Canada v USA1, Australia v USA2.

 

Round 6:

Netherlands v Poland, USA2 v Brazil, Italy v Norway.

 

Round 7:

Sweden v Italy, Indonesia v Egypt, Poland v USA1.

 

Round 8:

Australia v India, Ireland v Poland, USA1 v China.

 

Round 9:

Brazil v Italy, Norway v Pakistan, Canada v USA2.

 

Round 10:

Australia v China, Netherlands v Norway, USA1 v Indonesia.

 

Round 11:

Sweden v Netherlands, Norway v USA1, India v USA2.

 

Round 12:

USA2 v Italy (surely the official match), Netherlands v Japan, Australia v Indonesia.

 

Round 13:

Italy v Chinese Taipei, Poland v USA2, Sweden v Ireland.

 

Round 14:

Poland v China, Australia v Sweden, Egypt v Italy.

 

Round 15:

Italy v Pakistan, Brazil v Ireland, Japan v Australia.

 

Round 16:

India v Norway, USA2 v Egypt, Netherlands v Italy.

 

Round 17:

Italy v USA1 (official no doubt), Norway v Poland, Indonesia v China.

 

Round 18:

China v Norway, Poland v Sweden, Ireland v Italy.

 

Round 19:

Italy v Australia, Indonesia v USA2, Sweden v China.

 

Round 20:

Indonesia v Norway, China v Japan, South Africa v Italy.

 

Round 21:

Netherlands v USA1, Norway v USA2, Sweden v Indonesia.

[paulg]

Anna Gudge (WBF Secretariat) is also blogging from Shanghai.

 

This is particularly relevant for those who have studied French in the English education system for more than seven years and, therefore, would not be able to cope with zmud's blog.

 

Paul

[uday]

Google seems to do a decent job of translating Herve's blog.

 

 

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie...ud99.unblog.fr/

 

That was generated by http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

[helene_t]

those who have studied French in the English education system for more than seven years and, therefore, would not be able to cope with zmud's blog.

Lol, I studied it for only four years (Danish system) so I will give it a go. Some French bridge terminology is useful on BBO anyway.

[Gerben42]

Very nice, will be checking the blogs :D

 

For those who know Dutch, there is another blog by Marjo Chorus at www.topbridge.nl

[nickf]

And yet another blog... Bermuda Bowl blog

 

written by David Stern, NPC of the Australian Open Team.

 

nickf

sydney

[Walddk]

Our matches for rounds 2 and 3 are (Bermuda Bowl unless stated):

 

Round 2:

Italy v Poland, USA2 v Sweden, Brazil v Indonesia.

 

Round 3:

France v China (VC), China v Italy, South Africa v Netherlands.

[glen]

... if no team “buys” a broadcast….

Perhaps some teams may want to "buy" out of being broadcasted

[Walddk]

... if no team “buys” a broadcast….

Perhaps some teams may want to "buy" out of being broadcasted

Impossible according to the Conditions of Contest:

 

Vu-Graph

"All contestants are required to play on Vu-Graph, on-line Vu-Graph and

Television whenever assigned to do so by the President or his designee."

 

Roland

[Walddk]

As we have been notified well in advance regarding our matches in rounds 1, 2 and 3, I have managed to schedule commentators the day before.

 

I think it's fair to say that we are rendering a great service first up by offering expert commentary in English, French, Chinese, mixed Scandinavian and Indonesian (for the first time).

 

We will likely be able to add Italian, Spanish and Polish later in the tournament.

 

Roland

[Walddk]

First 3 Matches are :

 

China vs Argentina

USA1 vs USA2

Norway vs Sweden

Last minute change to our schedule in round 1. No Norway v Sweden. The match will be replaced by

 

New Zealand v Brazil

 

Sorry for the inconvenience. Beyond our control.

 

Roland

[zenko]

Hi,

 

Does enybody know how to watch vugraph from Shangai on ourgame.com? My Chinese is bit rusty...

 

Thx,

 

Daniel

[goose]

Hi

May we assume that live scores will be available from all the matches?

 

DG

[nikos59]

I will try (but no promises) to post the lin files at my page within the day:

It is more difficult than usual because of the time difference and also because

files tend to get corrupted with funny characters and they need an extra

vetting which is done manually and is very time-consuming.

 

For the moment (as round 2 is coming to close) Round 1 is up:

 

http://www.sarantakos.com/bridge/vugraph/2007/2007-wtc.html

[Mbodell]

Hi

May we assume that live scores will be available from all the matches?

 

DG

Live scores seem to be up at:

 

swan games

 

with all the matches updating board by board mid round, and the leaderboard updating as well board by board.

[mrdct]

Hi

May we assume that live scores will be available from all the matches?

 

DG

We may, but nobody dares mention the name of the provider.

 

The are some links to the provider in question at http://www.ecatsbridge.com/Events/wbf/2007shanghai/links.asp

[nikos59]

Not having a blog, I will possibly post some hands from Shangai here:

 

http://www.sarantakos.com/bridge/shangai.html

 

For the moment there are two of them.

[cjames]

Not having a blog, I will possibly post some hands from Shangai here:

 

http://www.sarantakos.com/bridge/shangai.html

 

For the moment there are two of them.

Nice :D :rolleyes:

[fred]

Hi

May we assume that live scores will be available from all the matches?

 

DG

We may, but nobody dares mention the name of the provider.

Actually I think the reason is that almost all of our vugraph commentators have enough common sense and good taste to understand that it would be inappropriate to use BBO as a vehicle for advertising companies that compete with BBO.

 

In addition I suspect that most of these people have enough humility to realize that they may not know the whole story. I would expect them to talk to me (or Roland or Uday) directly if they wanted more information. Trying to publicly embarass BBO with sarcastic uninformed posts on BBO's own Forums site is not a good way to make friends with the people who set the policies that you apparently object to.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[Walddk]

Our matches Monday in Shanghai are as follows (Bermuda Bowl unless stated):

 

Round 4:

8 pm Sunday Los Angeles, 11 pm Sunday New York, 05.00 Monday Paris, 4 am Monday London, 1 pm Monday Sydney

Brazil v Sweden, Netherlands v Canada, Egypt v Poland

 

...

 

Round 5:

11:20 pm Sunday Los Angeles, 2:20 am New York, 8.20 Paris, 7:20 am London, 4:20 pm Sydney

Canada v USA1, England v Germany (VC), USA1 v France (SB)

 

...

 

Round 6:

2:10 am Los Angeles, 5:10 am New York, 11.10 Paris, 10:10 am London, 7:10 pm Sydney

Italy v Norway, USA2 v Brazil, Netherlands v France (VC)

[mrdct]

... almost all of our vugraph commentators have enough common sense and good taste to understand that it would be inappropriate to use BBO as a vehicle for advertising companies that compete with BBO.

 

...trying to publicly embarass BBO with sarcastic uninformed posts on BBO's own Forums site is not a good way to make friends with the people who set the policies that you apparently object to.

It all sounds a tad petty to me.

 

The name of the provider of the real-time scoring service is plastered all over the WBF website, the Daily Bulletins and the EcatsBridge (WBF Secretariat) website. Of course for its extensive and valuable contribution to the online coverage of the event, BBO's name is also well publicised in those same places.

 

Does a commentator providing a link to a webpage with real-time comparisons of what all other tables have done on the board in play really pose such a risk to BBO's market-share? I seriously doubt it. The quality of the BBO product is without parallel and a casual wander over to the "competitor" website quickly confirms this with very small player and spectator numbers and a really difficult to follow interface. But I don't think anybody would question the fact that this "competitor" does online presentation of real-time scores really well.

 

I'm sure most, if not all, BBO commentators are regularly looking at the real-time scores of other matches to either add flavour to their commentary or simply to satisfy their interest in how things are going in other matches.

 

I'm fully aware that there is quite a lot of background to this issue to do with access to data feeds and deals which may or may not have been done with certain bridge bodies, but my only concern is to optimise the viewing experience for the spectators; whose experience is surely enhanced by having access to real-time scores.

 

I wasn't trying to publicly embarass BBO, which is obviously free to set its own policies and make its own decisions about how it conducts its business. I was merely trying to be helpful to a forum member (ironically called "goose") who was seeking to get access to real-time scores, but as I was aware of the policy of not mentioning that provider by name I did so via an indirect link from ecatsbridge. I acknowledge that there was a hint of sarcasm in the way I expressed myself for which I apologise.

 

I hope the BBO Forum remains a place where bridge fans can freely discuss developments in the online presentation of bridge events without fear of being hammered if they say anything non-complimentary about BBO or its products and policies.

[bid_em_up]

Actually I think the reason is that almost all of our vugraph commentators have enough common sense and good taste to understand that it would be inappropriate to use BBO as a vehicle for advertising companies that compete with BBO.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

Without knowing anything about anything, :P

 

I find it odd that I saw more than one commentator directing vugraph viewers to the other site providing running scores by providing direct link to that location, and yet my interpretation of this statement makes me think that they should not be doing so.

 

Seems to me that is a lot more "advertising" for the other site (when multiplied by number of users watching) than any post here would ever be.

 

jmoo.

[Mbodell]

Any one know what happened in the Canada-Netherlands match that was on Vugraph (I saw the last half but didn't see anyone say anything about a penalty)? It seems from the score that they got 18.5-10.5 VP scores for an IMP differential of 61-45. I assume the result was 19-11 and both teams were given a 0.5 VP penalty for something. Was that for time penalty. or some infraction, or what?