too strong preempt?

[tomb3113]

1st seat RED VS WHITE

 

xx

AKJT9xx

x

KJx

 

What do you open?

 

Your partner hold

 

AKx

Qx

AKJTx

xxx

 

What do you bid over a 3H opening bid?

[jtfanclub]

OK, I give up. At various parts of the hand, you use the English A, K, Q, J, and T.

But later you have R and V?

[pclayton]

Maybe the deck is bilingual.

[han]

First question: I'd open 1H, is there another possibility?

 

Second question: With my hand I'd check the backs of the cards. With partner's hand I'd bid 4H.

[kfay]

Wait... I opened 3♥ with that hand? Ridiculous.

[jtfanclub]

First question: I'd open 1H, is there another possibility?

I dunno. Based on the other thread, I'd have said that other people would say 4♥ was a possibility.

 

But 3♥ is right out, even using my caveman methods.

[skjaeran]

With MY hand I open 1♥ in 1st seat. No alternative.

 

With PARTNER'S hand I raise 3♥ to 4♥. Of course these hands and this bidding can't occur in the same deal.

[awm]

With the top hand, open 1♥. While I tend to be sound/conservative with regard to vulnerable preempts, this means that my suit will be good not that I'll have lots of points. A good twelve high is too much for a preempt (maybe if you play namyats that would be okay to bid).

 

With the bottom hand, over 3♥ opening I bid 4♥. I expect partner to have something like ♥AKTxxxx) and out, or maybe ♥KJT9xxx and out if very minimum. Either of these gives play for 4♥ (need partner to have doubleton club on the second hand, or opps to lead the wrong suit). While a slam is marginally possible opposite a normal 3♥ opening, you need a real maximum with a club singleton, which seems like a lot to hope for. There is a case for making a control ask if you play some sort of control asks which let you out at 4♥ (with one regular partner I would use 3♠ as a control ask here with opener bidding 4♣ to show 2nd round club control in response, after which I could try keycard, but those methods are quite non-standard).

[neilkaz]

The opening hand is too strong to preempt and I and most others would open it 1♥ even if the K of ♣ were the Q.

 

Opposite a normal Red vs White 3♥ the dummy is very fine, but doesn't rate to make slam very often so lacking means to find out about the ♣ control and stop in game, I'd just bid 4♥

[zhs1971]

first question：

open 1♥

 

second question：

I play 4♣ as “Control Asking Bid”，the answer will be：4♦=no control；4♥=second round control（King or Singleton）；4♠=first round control（Ace or Void）

[whereagles]

1. Open 1 or 4♥, depending on tactical conditions.

2. Obvious raise to 4...

[kenrexford]

I'd also open 1♥.

 

I like the idea of saving spade with a 3♠ asking bid. I'd like the slam opposite AK-seventh and a stiff club, a lot.

 

With my technique of using 4♣ for that call, I have a problem. Red-v-White should feature two top honors, but I might catch the death hand of 2713 pattern. A 4♦ rebid will not be a problem, nor will 4♥. The question, then, is whether a 4♠ rebid with a stiff spade and having three clubs and getting a club lead is more likely than the 4NT response showing the all-important stiff club.

 

I'm gambling. 4♣.

 

Of course, this auction is NOT suggested by the actual hands, as the actual hands are silly, IMO.