pclayton Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Seriously, you've gone from a 7 bagger to an 8 bagger and a hand with no aces to a hand with 2 aces. I hope you're not really comparing the 2? Well, that is what I'm comparing, because the 8 bagger 2-ace hand is what I tend to have for a 4♥ bid 1st/2nd hand vulnerable and the other one isn't. And sadly enough, I thought that was standard. Must have grown up in a very conservative club. So, sorry for wasting your time, but it wasn't a waste for me- now I know what to expect when my pick up partner opens 4♥! Yes, perhaps it was the John Birch Society BC. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 4♥ is obvious, I can't imagine anything else. When rho bids 4♠ a pass is obvious (though I can imagine doing something else, it would be pretty silly.) I don't understand the mentality that if the opponents bid 4♠ over my 4♥ we automatically lose. Maybe they are missing slam, which happens a LOT on that auction. Maybe they are getting creamed in game (possibly to be doubled by partner). Maybe we get creamed at the 5 level. Maybe partner can use the info of the 4♠ bid to correctly bid 5♥. Maybe 4♠ is just the normal result. Of course I'm nowhere near 100% sure I'm glad when the auction goes that way. But please show me the auction with this hand that makes me 100% sure I'm glad it went that way (or even close to 100%). At least I have made them guess as best I can. Absoultely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 xAQJxxxxxATxx--- Would you open that 4♥? Never ever in 1st or 2nd seat. I'll be missing too many slams if I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 xAQJxxxxxATxx--- Would you open that 4♥? Never ever in 1st or 2nd seat. I'll be missing too many slams if I do. Probably not in 3rd or 4th seat either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I would in 3rd, probably also in 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 I would in 3rd, probably also in 4th. Agree. Btw that 1♥ vote is mine - a mistake. I'd open the OP hand 4♥, then pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 4♥and then pass. On a good day i might try some weird stuff but then I won't open 4♥. Probably 3♣, 1NT or stuff like that. If allowed of course. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Just another vote for 4♥ and then pass. Surprised that this hand would create such a ruckus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 So the experts pass 4!s while many of the voters bid 5!d. I suspected that, as soon as I clicked the 5!d button I knew it was wrong. P would have loved to defend 4!s with AKxxx of spades and a void hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 This hand has an ODR of 8. Such a high ODR is good for a FIVE hearts opener (if you play that as pree). I'd start out with 4♥. Who knows, maybe this steals the pot? Over 4♠ I'll bid something. Probably hearts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 :rolleyes: Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 :rolleyes: Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥. i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 :P Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥. FYI bidding 5H is a gross insult to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 FYI bidding 5H is a gross insult to partner. Only if you believe preemptor should not bid further. I certainly don't believe that, and even less at the 4M level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 No, I meant bidding 5H instead of 5D. I would pass, but 5D makes some sense. 5H is insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 No, I meant bidding 5H instead of 5D. I would pass, but 5D makes some sense. 5H is insulting.B) My point was that if you do bid 5♦, partner would have to know to correct to 5♥ unless he/she has four or more diamonds. Bidding 5♦ sounds like 6-5 or 6-6 or 7-6. Since partner doesn't know you are 7-5, you have to bid 5♥, if you choose to bid at all. :D My partners know I would never insult them. Make an insane bid once in a while? Absolutely. :D :( Sorry I missed gwnn's comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 You would seriously open 4H with 6-5 in the reds and then make a second call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 A 7-5 is much less prone to tapping than a 6-5... I don't think there'll be a problem if I bid 5♥. But I'm ok with 5♦ as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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