blackshoe Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 This is a book hand - I found it interesting so thought I'd see what will come of posting it. [hv=d=s&s=skjxxhxdqxxcaqxxx]133|100|[/hv] I dunno about anyone else, but I think this is a good, but not great, minimum 1♣ opener. So I open 1♣, LHO passes, and partner bids 1♥. RHO passes. How do you like your hand now? What call do you make? I'll post more later. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I'm not sure that I understand this question, but I'll try. This hand has some qualities and deficits. As to HCP's, it has 12. That's one more than my usual minimum, so that's mildly nice. As to quicks/controls, I have three controls and about two quicks. That's not so good. As to shape/LTC. 5/4's are potentially powerful, especially 5431's. Kxx or Axx is much better a holding for the 3-card suit, however. I have a heavy six losers, closer to seven. About the worst hand considering the potential power of the 5431 holding. As to covers. I have a possible four honor covers, not all that impressive. ============= After the 1♥ response, not much has improved. If anything, I am more wary of a bad situation. Partner might be 4432, for instance, but this and similar cardiong combinations do not impress me much. I'm not upset about the sequence so far, because I already had and can continue to pursue my planned rebid of 1♠. This does not embarass me in the slightest. I'm glad to hear silence so far from the opponents, because I would not like my options in the heat of a battle with this hand. So far, not a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 obvious 1♠, wtp the opening was also completely obvious unless you're playing roth-stone Note: I hardly every say something is obvious, so you can see how i feel about it.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 We have found a hand where even Ken can't help but take the normal action. I hope this wasn't the extent of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I'm glad you intend to post more later, because what you have posted so far is so mundane as to almost induce me not to post :P Clear 1♣. I have no strong like/dislike at the stage of 1♣, other than that I always like to be the first to bid. Clear 1♠. Any other call is irrational. I still have no strong like or dislike. While I don't fit ♥s, the opps have remained silent so for all I know we are on our way to a grand slam.. picture AQx Axxxx void KJxxx. I appreciate that several possible calls from partner will make me dislike my hand.. an invitational 3♥ or a simple 1N would both cause me concern... but since every other pair in the room will be in the same boat, and I usually like my game compared to that of the field, I'm still reasonably content, if no longer happy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Be more interesting if the red suits were reversed. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 agree with everyone 1♣ opening and 1♠ rebid both seem obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 We could have bid any of: (1) Precision 1♦(2) Precision 2♣(3) Mini-roman 2♦(4) Canape 1♠(5) Transfer-canape 1♥(6) Two-step-transfer-canape 1♦(7) Fantoni-Nunes 2♣ Hopefully we won't look down at the CC and realize that 1♣ was strong/artificial. :) Of course, assuming something resembling standard methods I agree with everyone about opening 1♣ and rebidding 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Clear 2-step canape 1D opening to me. When playing standard methods I'd open 1C and rebid 1S, just like anybody else would. It's too early to feel good or bad or worried or anxious or relieved or angry or frustrated or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Next :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I have to state that this is the about most obvious 1♣ opener and 1♠ rebid ever. I hope the hand gets more interesting. I had a tad more than a min when I opened, but after PD's 1♥ I don't care for my hand unless he fits a black suit. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Waiting for the other shoe to drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I should have mentioned that you're playing essentially standard methods. No strange systems. Seems everyone agrees that the bidding should go 1♣-1♥-1♠, and that so far the hand is pretty boring. :) Suppose partner responds 1♠ instead of 1♥? I presume everyone will like his hand a bit better now. :) The auction continues with 2♦ on your right. Now what? BTW, there's more than one shoe waiting to drop here. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 So, partner changes his call to 1♠. He apparently grabbed the wrong card. I get a 2♦ call to my right. That does not help the diamond Queen much, unless the contract is spades (fairly likely) and partner has Ax, in which case the diamond Queen is a nice little bonus. I have a fit. That's nice. Whether I play support doubles or not, my bid is the same -- 2♠. So far, nothing all that interesting. My honor-based cover card collection just decreased, but my trick-taking capacity seems nice. I like the position of my club Queen a tad more, and I like my collection of honors as suggesting that RHO has lots of heart honors (because his other possible honors will have looked poorly-placed to him and will, on average, suggest passing rather than bidding). Only slight interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 BTW, there's more than one shoe waiting to drop here. ;) There had better be, because the only interesting aspect to the thread so far is the number of people agreeing with Ken :P And that includes me :unsure: :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I'm with Jilly. NEXT! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Over 1♣-P-1♥-2♦, easy pass. Over 1♣-P-1♠-2♦, this hand is close between 2♠ and 3♠ for me. If partner has some 5-4 in the majors, then we have game chances (even say Axxxx xxxx xx xx offers some chances). If partner doesn't have four hearts, opponents have a huge (and yet-to-be-found) heart fit, and raising to 3♠ may have some preemptive advantage as well as being right on law of total tricks. Nonetheless, the ♦Q looks wasted and this talks me into bidding only 2♠. If I had ♦K instead of queen I'd bid three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 After 1♣ - (P) - 1♠ - (2♦) 2♠ seems obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 2♠ is again obvious. This thread so far has all the excitement of watching paint dry. You can cut to the chase any time Mr. Shoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 2S is far from obvious with this hand over 2D. You know, you can miss a game bidding this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Maybe I should have warned the experts they might not find this interesting. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Anyway, now partner bids 3 ♦, and opponents are passing. What do you do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Anyway, now partner bids 3 ♦, and opponents are passing. What do you do now? We have at least 8 ♠ and I have more than enough to push to game opposite a cue bid so I will cooperate with 4♣ as I don't have a min. due to my stiff. ..neilkaz ..hoping he is understanding this very confusing thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I would never bid 4 club now. I have a control in Heart, so I bid it with 3 Heart. Th hand is now more exciting then watching paint dry. It is like watching your washing machine- when it is not running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Ok, I'll take the bait. [hv=d=s&s=skjxxhxdqxxcaqxxx]133|100|[/hv] The auction so far1♣ (P) 1♠ (2♦)2♠ (P) 3♦ (P) I'll cooperate 3♥ - next :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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