han Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skq109hkqxdxxcq10xx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1C - 1H??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 jlall: 1Scherdano: 2Hmikeh: 1Njdonn: whatever my pard likesmike777: why did we open this hand? my openers are 13+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 awm: would still bid 2H with KQxx KQx xxx QTx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 mike777: why did we open this hand? my openers are 13+ mike777 (aggressive day): if my partner expects me to open aggressively I bid 1S and will show extras by bidding 2H next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Justin, did you consult Miss Cleo before answering? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 So what should I bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 jdonn got this one right I think (nice post josh). Anyways I think a style where you bid 1S is best but that's obviously highly debatable and I could be wrong and it probably doesn't make much difference long term what you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I'll bid my beautiful 4 card ♠ suit as perhaps PD has 4 of them. If not, I can and will support PD's ♥ if his next call is 1NT, 2♣ or 2♦. ..neilkaz.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 jdonn got this one right I think (nice post josh). Um....thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I bid 1♠ actually, not 2♥. Will bid 2♥ later if partner tries 1nt, using an artificial 2♦ rebid to distinguish between good/bad 2♥ raises. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 i pass ... wait, no 1s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 OK, thanks for the advice Josh. My partner had this hand and bid 1S, so now I'll know what to do if I ever play with him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 spades are too good to hide them, otherwise 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Often 1N with this shape but 1♠ this time. This probably means that I will have to pass p's preference bid of 2♣. In a style in which 1♠ is mandatory with this shape, maybe it makes sense to play 2♥ over p's preference as not showing extras ? Anyway, why don't you just play T-Walsh, it solves a lot of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Often 1N with this shape but 1♠ this time. This probably means that I will have to pass p's preference bid of 2♣. In a style in which 1♠ is mandatory with this shape, maybe it makes sense to play 2♥ over p's preference as not showing extras ? Anyway, why don't you just play T-Walsh, it solves a lot of problems. Well...there's several variations of T-Walsh out there, solving different kinds of problems, some of them creating other problems of their own. In some 1♣-1♦-1♥ shows "any" 11-13/14 and 1NT (17)18-19, in other the 1♥ rebid show exactly 3c♥. In my version the 1♥ rebid shows ANY hand with 3, 13-14 with 4 and most 18-19 balanced with 4.... As to the problem, with my new regular partner (I've got two regulars now) with whom I play Walsh, not T-Walsh, I'd rebid 1NT, since 1♠ promises an unbalanced hand. With most non-regular partners in my area I'd rebid 1♠ either playing up-the-line bidding or Walsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 1S. An old fashioned bid for an oldproblem. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 1NT or 2♥. I don't understand 1♠: when partner bids hearts we're much more likely to belong in hearts than in spades. Bidding 1♠ seems to bury the heart suit, for example if partner bids 2♣ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 1S. An old fashioned bid for an oldproblem. With kind regardsMarlowe The problem can't be too old -- this hasn't been an opening bid for that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 2♥ or 1♠ depending on partner's wishes. Never 1N :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 1NT or 2♥. I don't understand 1♠: when partner bids hearts we're much more likely to belong in hearts than in spades. Bidding 1♠ seems to bury the heart suit, for example if partner bids 2♣ now. I know you know this but just to clarify for everyone, obviously hands where partner has a game going hand don't matter since we will find the right spot regardless of what we start with. So to discuss partscores: 1S keeps in play playing 1N, 2C, 2S, and 2H when partner has 6. The downside is that we miss 5-3 heart fits. My feeling is though the single most likely scenario is that we want to play 2H in a 5-3, the combined possibilities that we belong in spades, NT, or clubs is greater than the chance we belong in a 5-3 heart fit. Obviously on this hand 1N is the most likely bid to get us to the wrong spot (as I'm sure even the rational 1N advocates will tell you), but it fits into a system where 1S shows an unbalanced hand and the gains on all other bids you make besides 1N are greater than in a system where you bid 1S or 2H on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Obviously on this hand 1N is the most likely bid to get us to the wrong spot (as I'm sure even the rational 1N advocates will tell you) What? 1NT only missed 4-4 spade fit, other than that it lets us: play in 5-3 heart fit any time partner has 5play in 1NT when no fitplay in 2♦ when we have 2-5 or 2-6 fitplay in 3♣ when we have fit. It is obviously better than 2♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 1NT or 2♥. I don't understand 1♠: when partner bids hearts we're much more likely to belong in hearts than in spades. Bidding 1♠ seems to bury the heart suit, for example if partner bids 2♣ now. I know you know this but just to clarify for everyone, obviously hands where partner has a game going hand don't matter since we will find the right spot regardless of what we start with. So to discuss partscores: 1S keeps in play playing 1N, 2C, 2S, and 2H when partner has 6. The downside is that we miss 5-3 heart fits. My feeling is though the single most likely scenario is that we want to play 2H in a 5-3, the combined possibilities that we belong in spades, NT, or clubs is greater than the chance we belong in a 5-3 heart fit. Obviously on this hand 1N is the most likely bid to get us to the wrong spot (as I'm sure even the rational 1N advocates will tell you), but it fits into a system where 1S shows an unbalanced hand and the gains on all other bids you make besides 1N are greater than in a system where you bid 1S or 2H on this hand.absolutely :blink: Actually, I have no objection to 2♥, but in none of my partnerships can I safely bid 1♠, since doing so promises 9+ black cards. In one of my partnerships, the raise promises 4 cards, but we also play (in 1st and 2nd) an 11-14 1N, so this hand is not an issue. In the others, I have no objection to 2♥.. so for me, 1N or 2♥. As it happens, I prefer 1N but it is no big deal. If I were to bid 1N it would be with the full knowledge that this could get us to the worst partscore, but never to the wrong game or slam... and 2♥ has the downside of sometimes getting us to the wrong high-level contract (it will be tough to sort out the auction after, for example, a 2♠ bid by responder over my 2♥, if I raise) BTW, my form of t-walsh has opener accepting the transfer with this hand, showing 2 or 3 hearts, and a balanced hand.... over which 2♣ puppets to 2♦ and 2♦ is gf, exactly as if I had rebid 1N over a natural 1♥ response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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