Badmonster Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 please don't take some one with a simplistic view as some one who is not prepared to help people, or even does not care about others, this would not be true, I have a personal opinion of charities and the people running them, which I am sure would cause a great deal of debate on here as I would not be complimentary about many of them ( or more to the point the people that run them) Erick, give me an example of what you say in real life, where they have helped learn to fish and then said great thx, no more aid required? The welfare to work program was very successful. Or at least the tv news said it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 here is (possibly) not a comment that would be well recieved about old people " old people, who struggle to manage after finishing work because the state pension does not fully cover thier needs to give a good life style" possible reasons 1/. not enough charitable donations? 2/. We never bothered to save as it is the governments responsibility to look after us, (we fought and died in the war for our country) ((interesting concept about this statement and I have actually heard it used in this debate) 3/. We were promised a pot of gold by successive governments (well you voted the bastards in on the back of promises that in all reailty were never sustainable from the start (greed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 The welfare to work program was very successful. Or at least the tv news said it was please give hard facts on this ? TV news reports generally come from someone telling them what they want the TV news people to hear, statistics say a lot, but prove very little, there are an awful lot of statisticians about that for a few $ will provide statistical evidence about anything anyone wants people to believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 There are also plenty of examples of successful small business in the US that were started with loans backed by the US government. Loans that would not have been possible without the government program starting a buisness in the US is not really charitable, as I dont recall the last person in the US to die of starvation, unless it was one of theirr size zero models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Are you claiming that there are no poor people in the US? That it is not possible for charities in the US to be worthwhile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi everyone The math is somewhat better now, however, the entire population of the earth is less than 10 billion so the idea of 440 billion people each giving a dollar a month is simply not possible. Change your idea to one dollar a month from say 4 billion people gives 4 billion dollars each month. Your ten trillion dollar figure now needs 2,500 months or something like 200 years to raise the money that you require. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 in Romania you can buy a city and a half for 1$. i can't sell my city for some random african guy's fishing lessons mmkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 awasome, this thread is just awasome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Are you claiming that there are no poor people in the US? That it is not possible for charities in the US to be worthwhile actually Hannie, I cant believe you are dumb enough to make the assumption that I indicated that there were no poor people in America from what I have written There will always be poor people in a rich country like america, that is what makes the rich "RICH" I never said some charities are not worth while and benifical just that I think Charity wont solve starvation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shubi Posted September 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 hi hi robert, i know world population is 6.5 billions. i made a accumulateted total of 7 billions x 12 84 billions plus x 8 years makes it originally to make it 6.72 trilions, roughfly collecting 4 trilions over 8 years. thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi shubi Trillion=1,000 billion not 100 billion. Decimal points change the value by 10 times.Commas show 1,000 units. 7 times 12 is 84 billion correct. 84 times 8 years is 672 billion not 6.72 trillion(6.72 trillion=6,720 billion) You only have a small fraction of your claimed total in eight years 'if' you have 100% contribution from 6.5 billion people and you also manage to have 500 million babies that are 'yet to be born' contribute to your fund each month. How people that are starving will be able to contribute $1.00 each month to your fund is still something that I do not understand. I think that I was being quite generous in letting say 4 billion people give to your fund out of a 6.5 billion total. Many third world nations have people with little of no income. Babies might also find it difficult to raise a $1.00 each month if they are part of a family that is not getting the minimum food requirement to continue to live. How the unborn will contribute is a concept that I simply do not understand. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hey Justin! it's Shubiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii with only 27 i's :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shubi Posted September 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 hi hi robert, I am just a catalyst. I worked hard and retired at age 50 to follow my hobies watching world event and play bridge, i dont see any change on that. But i know many people around the world who i wish seats on board of director. The person who will lead the program must be responsible and accountable to UNITED NATIONS, must have open book for public scurinity, must be audited once a year.now 4 5 6 etc trillion i dont really worry about even though we request 1 dollar many people will donate 10 20 10,000, 1 millions if they have reason to belive its a good cause. For poor people and non donars we have set aside 2.72 trillions to make up the gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Anyone else's head explode yet? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hi shubi Didn't the world bank President just get replaced because of a non work related problem? The United Nations is not free of problems. When 7 trillion dollars suddenly appears, the problems will get even bigger. Your math does not make any sense. You just do not get anywhere near that amount of money using your 'facts.' You only have 672 billion dollars which is 'only' .672 trillion dollars. You cannot set aside 2.72 trillion dollars if you 'only' have 672 billion to start with. If you wish to change your facts and just decide that people are going to give you seven trillion dollars or so, that is fine. I would suggest that you start with say 999 trillion dollars and you could now not only end world hunger, you could also supply free housing and medical care to all that needed it. Why do something less when you could raise a mere 999 trillion dollars using the same method that you raised seven trillion dollars? Jerry Lewis set a new record for a charity when he raised 63 million this year.If you would contract him and explain how to raise trillions rather than mere millions, he could host one more event and fund the charity forever. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hereby I make the generous offer to be the person the United Nations elects to oversee the spending of the trillions of dollars that Shubi is about to generate. I don't mind being scrutinized once per year as long as it doesn't happen during a bridge tournament. I'd hate to see my misplays back in some international report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I think you would lose that job quite quickly, Han."Where are the 440 trillions shubi gave you?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Yeah, but in the meantime I'd be three dollars richer. Well, two, because I paid one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shubi Posted September 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 lighter side. love and respect Jerry Lewis,. most memorable segment Dean Martin Jerry Lewis reunion.about united nations, this is not a business ventur nor a charitable venture this is a social venture created by politicians must solve by politicians.second thing we all know all politicians has one thing in common that iS GIFT OF GAB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 a good way to stay healthy is to eat more chinese food -- fortune cookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 There should be a thread about bridge-fortune cookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 shubi, look, in all seriousness: Do you really think that posting random suggestions on an online bridge forum is going to help end world peace? Erm, I mean end poverty and war. Why don't you tie yourself to a tree in front of the UN headquarters? It's much easier to curse darkness than light a candle, y? We can hardly help you, as long as you don't help us help you... If you don't establish the Big UN Committee, we can hardly send the money... Already 3 people have volunteered to send in the $$$, and 1 remarkably self-sacrificing person, Han Peters, has volunteered to take care of the funds. We are all waiting for the plan to take off. But if your post wasn't serious, how could we be serious about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 1 remarkably self-sacrificing person, Han Peters, has volunteered to take care of the funds. I do not trust Han with my money. he's a weasel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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