bid this 23 pt slam?

[Stephen Tu]

[hv=d=w&v=e&n=stxhkq9xdxxc9xxxx&s=shatxxxdakxxxcakx]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

Searching for convincing auctions to this slam. (We got there on a somewhat stupid auction with some assistance from our opponents, trying to see if one can get there under more realistic circumstances and rational bids.)

 

After two passes, East opens 2♠.

 

1. dbl, or 4♦ = ♦+♥? (do most people play 4♦ F or NF?)

 

2. Say you double. what are reasonable auctions after LHO:

- bids 3♠?

- bids 4♠?

- psyches 2NT?

[han]

I play 4D as forcing and woud bid it. North has of course great support and the doubleton diamond is also nice, but I think it is just not enough to bid more than 4H.

 

South has some extras but probably not enough to act over 4H.

 

So I regret to say that I would miss this slam playing with myself. Starting with a double would work out better perhaps.

[awm]

I like double: this hand has plenty of defense if partner converts (AK, A, AK) and neither red suit is really strong enough to withstand a 5-2 fit. It's also easy to imagine clubs being the best place to play, and I prefer 4♦ to have better suits.

 

After west raises, I'd expect north to pass the hand back to south, who will certainly balance. Over 3♠ it's not clear whether to balance with another double or with 4♥; I think I'd prefer double for much the same reason I doubled initially. Over 4♠ it seems clear to balance with a double. Over 2NT, east will bid something and south's action depends a bit on this call, but I don't think south can be psyched into passing with this hand.

 

Over south's second double, north should bid hearts. If north is bidding 4♥, south is worth a slam try opposite the known four-card trump fit. There is some danger since north could be broke, but slam has play opposite some zero-counts with five hearts (xxx xxxxx xx xxx and 6♥ is ok). If north is bidding over 4♠, he may try 4NT (two places to play) and then correct 5♦ to 5♥. Since this shows length in both round suits as well as some shape or values (a 3-4-2-4 zero count should pass the second double), it's reasonable for south to take a shot at slam, hoping for either 5-5 in the round suits or 4-5 with a useful card or two.

 

You have to take some positions to reach the slam and I could certainly see ending up in a heart game, but it is possible to get there.

[kenrexford]

South overcalls 4♦, showing 5-5 reds and needing about two tricks to make game.

 

North bids 4♥, thinking how glad he is that he has those two tricks.

 

East or West does not leave well enough alone, and forces North or South to not be practical.

[cherdano]

Over 4D Leaping Michaels (forcing!) I think North is just about good enough to bid 5♥.

 

What is everyone's minimum for 4D? Obviously mine is higher than Ken's.

I wouldn't bid 4D on the given hand without ♣A. I guess with some duplication of values 5H might be too high, e.g. x AJTxx AKQxx Qx.

 

I think auctions where South forces to 5-level without North having showing values are unrealistic.

[karlson]

I suppose I can give our auction:

 

2s-4d-4s-5h

p-6h

 

Sure, 6H was a bit of a guess, but I think once partner shows a real heart fit it must be odds on. Partner's actual hand is a pretty normal minimum I think.

[jdonn]

I would start with double. When it goes 3♠ p p I would double again, and I think over north's 4♥ bid I am then good enough for one further try, as I am guaranteed heart length opposite and thus have extremely few losers. No matter what that try is, north could well bid 6 with his excellent (in context) hand. This would be similar if LHO psyched 2NT. If LHO bid 4♠ it would be much harder and I think I wouldn't get there.

 

I don't care for 4♦ with such bad hearts and good clubs. Partner often has to bid 4♥ on a doubleton which should play very terribly, and he might even do that with six clubs. I think it might work well here (especially if it continues 4♠ 5♥ p) but that it's the wrong action in general.

[Codo]

I would start with a double and miss the slam without their help or serious overbidding by north.

If I had choosen 4 Diamond, slam is "easy" to reach as this shows a very strong hand, so pd with KQxx in heart will surely bid more then 4 ♥.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 4D, we play it as NF, but F is standard

#2 Pass

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Free]

I think 4♦ is clear. Finding slam is as good as impossible imo.

[the hog]

I think 4♦ is clear. Finding slam is as good as impossible imo.

Agree with Frederick.

[han]

Over 4D Leaping Michaels (forcing!) I think North is just about good enough to bid 5♥.

I really don't think so.

 

Also, I'd like to start with a double now, but I think I still won't get to slam.

[SchTsch]

I would bid 4♦ and play 4♥ if I`m allowed.

It's not a shame to miss a good slam.