juniors champs

[cherdano]

Here is an idea:  Open 2♣, bid HEARTS naturally and then bid exclusion RKCB in clubs (showing a club void).  Partner will tell you how many key cards he holds outside of the club suit with hearts as trump.  Then bid to the appropriate level in SPADES.  In order for this to work, you need a very understanding (and high-level) partner.  I have seen this idea floated before on hands like this where you need to know some key cards but have no effective way of asking for them.

If you bid 5♠ over partner's exclusion reply of 5♦, any high-level partner will know that this is a grand slam try for hearts. He will have to guess whether you are asking for ♥Q or third round control in spades, but depending on your RKCB agreements an understanding partner will get this right.

[jdonn]

Quite frankly, I don't see how opening this hand with a one-bid is going to help you get to the right spot anyway.

That's easy to see. After a 1♠ opening bid you have happy options of jump shifting in hearts or showing club shortness, either of which will help partner evaluate his hand much better.

No matter what you bid, partner will not be in a position to properly evaluate the trick taking potential of the two hands. Only if you managed to get partner to tell you what he holds - specifically, heart honors and the diamond ace - will you be able to properly evaluate the combined trick taking potential of the two hands.

 

And I submit to you that opening a one bid will not make the process any easier.

 

Here is an idea: Open 2♣, bid HEARTS naturally and then bid exclusion RKCB in clubs (showing a club void). Partner will tell you how many key cards he holds outside of the club suit with hearts as trump. Then bid to the appropriate level in SPADES. In order for this to work, you need a very understanding (and high-level) partner. I have seen this idea floated before on hands like this where you need to know some key cards but have no effective way of asking for them.

That will work just brilliantly when partner bids diamonds over your heart bid and you bid exclusion keycard in diamonds. Or when he bids clubs and your exclusion keycard is actually a raise. Or when he bids 5♦ showing none and you bid 5♠...to ask for the heart queen. Just brilliantly.

[ArtK78]

I just floated an idea. It might work. But why would one ever bid exclusion RKCB in diamonds? Bidding hearts would only work if partner raises so you can bid exclusion RKCB in clubs.

 

As I said, it was an idea. You tell me how to locate the ♦A and the AQ of hearts without sophisticated methods?