han Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Suppose you play weak jump overcalls at all colors. RHO opens 1S, would you bid 3D with this hand: [hv=d=e&s=sxhxxxxdkqj10xxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 ♥s and possibly ♠'s are breaking badly for them, let them guess, 3♦ always. The bad part about it is they may find a low hcp 3NT contract, cause I'm my hand is right from das Handbuch (in the sense that I have a good suit and no outside values, one ♦ less, yes, but that's life). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 3♦ at adverse is a little silly. 3♦ at equal is agressive but reasonable, although we'd all rather do it w/w instead of r/r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 I voted "when not vulnerable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 The suit is good enough at any vulnerability. But I wouldn't bid 3♦ at unfavourable because it doesn't seem to achieve anything - at other vulnerabilities at least there is the possibility of finding a good sacrifice. You don't really expect this 3♦ to mess the opponents up very much, since they've already bid your shortest suit (most likely to be their fit), and if you manage to push them into a contract you don't have any defence. So "equal or favourable" for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 This hand might depend on the form of scoring as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I would vote "when not vulnerable". This seems like the right combination of sane and aggressive to me. If I had no shortness I would only do it w/r. If I had a 7th diamond I would do it at any vul, unless 2272 in which case I would pass r/w. If 1471 I would bid 4♦ w/r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Yes at favourable or equal vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 It seems to me that in front of an unpassed partner we should make the normal or standard bid unless given other facts. No one has put forth what standard/normal is so here is one shot:Unfav vul: have 2 less winners than level you bid.Equal vul: have 3 less winners than level you bid.fav vul: have 4 or 5 less winners than level you bid. If you define standard as other, fair enough, but it would help to say what.If you prefer random preempts fair enough but it would help to say why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I find it too dangerous when Vulnerable. Whenever NV seems ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 With an ODR of +6, I'm bidding all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 If you pass at some vuln. maybe you shouldn't be playing WJO in that particular position. I bid all except unfav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 At the table I did bid 3D at both, but I thought that was pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 red/white its def a pass, NV it's def a bid. red/red is close, I'd probably do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 If you pass at some vuln. maybe you shouldn't be playing WJO in that particular position. Yeah totally agree, that's why I've given up on WJO when vul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I'd bid at NV. I don't think there's anything inconsistent with requiring a seven-card suit to make a WJO at the three-level at vulnerable. I think these bids have more to do with suit length/quality than overall values -- I wouldn't be happier bidding 3♦ on a six card suit at vulnerable if I had a few outside cards (qualifying for an IJO); in fact I'd probably be less happy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 With 1 card spade, it's 87% they have 8+spade fit. Opponents non-V, they must simply make the right decision/guess. Bid 3D.Opps V, they must not miss 4S if making. 3D is wasted breath unless suggesting sac.So NV vs V, 3D is senseless preempt. Give them a 'fielders' choice'? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 I see 17 people voted for for always, I must say I find 3D on a 6-card suit at unfavorable a bit sick. But the one person who voted for "never" isn't sick, that person is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 If you pass at some vuln. maybe you shouldn't be playing WJO in that particular position. Yeah totally agree, that's why I've given up on WJO when vul Anopther one for that philosophy here. 3♦ RvW for me is intermediate, and leaning toward strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I see 17 people voted for for always, I must say I find 3D on a 6-card suit at unfavorable a bit sick. But the one person who voted for "never" isn't sick, that person is dead. Really? I'm glad I'm neither in the 'sick' nor 'dead' camp then. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Oh, I've made votes on the forum that I would qualify as at least a bit sick, usually you get well again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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