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[Fluffy]

[hv=d=e&v=a&s=sa3hj86432da10863c]133|100|Scoring: IMP

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3♣-??[/hv]

 

Sorry but 4♣ is majors and 4♦ is nat.

[Guest Jlall]

3H seems obvious, I know that you (fluffy) like overcalls of preempts to show the best hand ever but I really don't think you can pass a hand with so much potential and a club void. Partner is just going to pass it out way too much. We have 2 aces so if partner decides to start doubling them thats ok.

[whereagles]

If pard has a bunch of clubs this can stop here (at 3♣) with 4♥ on for our side. We should bid, thus 3♥.

[mikeh]

This is an ugly hand. I am (usually) a supporter of having full values to make a direct overcall, but I can't stomach passing, so 3♥ it is.

 

And if partner likes his hand (ie bids 4♣) I will in fact fall in love with this ugly duckling and bid 4♦.

[jtfanclub]

Partner is just going to pass it out way too much. We have 2 aces so if partner decides to start doubling them thats ok.

I just can't bring myself to do it.

 

I have 9 points, opener shouldn't have much for points, somebody must have spades somewhere, I can't believe it'll be passed out all that often.

 

I can think of worse places for this hand to play than 4♠, if partner has 6 of them, and I'm scared that things may get too high too fast.

 

On the other hand, I DO have first round controls in 3 suits, so I'm certainly not going to claim that 3♥ is a bad bid.

[skjaeran]

3H seems obvious, I know that you (fluffy) like overcalls of preempts to show the best hand ever but I really don't think you can pass a hand with so much potential and a club void. Partner is just going to pass it out way too much. We have 2 aces so if partner decides to start doubling them thats ok.

Agree.

[han]

Clear 3H.

[pclayton]

3♥. You can go kind of nuts with a 5-6 and get away with it.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

I am pretty sure, I get another chance.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

3♥. My goodness, what else!

[neilkaz]

Auto 3♥ for me. If I had no choice except 4♥ or pass, I'd prefer 4♥, that is how much potential play this hand has, IMHO.

[joker_gib]

3♥. My goodness, what else!

Nothing else ! :P

 

3♥

[mikegill]

100% 3h.

 

I am pretty sure, I get another chance.

 

Well, sometimes it passes to partner who has a balanced 12 with 3+ clubs and passes it out. He could even have Kxx KQxx Kx xxxx and you're cold for slam and you'll be playing 3c undoubled making.

 

And even if you do get another chance, it might be after a 5c bid on your left - doesn't seem so unlikely given that you're void. Even after a 4c bid and two passes to you, now you're going to risk coming in at the 4-level when you could have just come in at the 3-level? Winning bridge is getting in your bids when you can.

[SoTired]

i know, i know, "Don't preempt over a preempt", "Direct seat over a preempt should be sound", etc., etc. My own rules ...

 

But this hand is 5-loser with 1st round control in 3 suits. If partner goes slamming, we are in good shape, and if we pass and partner re-opens with 3S, then what?

 

No red-blooded player would pass this hand.

[Apollo81]

3♥

 

lol to this even being considered a problem

[Halo]

3H, what a great hand.

[Walddk]

... this ugly duckling

Now the Canucks are at it again. First they stole Hans Ø from us (Danes), and now they are trying to do the same with one of the most famous fairytales by Hans Christian Andersen.

 

http://hca.gilead.org.il/ugly_duc.html

 

Shame on you, Mike! I think I will send a copy of this to the European Court of Human Rights. Needless to say, half of our fleet is already on the way to Halifax. I would take evasive action if I were you.

 

Roland

[P_Marlowe]

<snip>

 

No red-blooded player would pass this hand.

I have water flowing to my veins.

 

Not always, but quite often.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

100% 3h. 

 

I am pretty sure, I get another chance.

 

Well, sometimes it passes to partner who has a balanced 12 with 3+ clubs and passes it out. He could even have Kxx KQxx Kx xxxx and you're cold for slam and you'll be playing 3c undoubled making.

 

And even if you do get another chance, it might be after a 5c bid on your left - doesn't seem so unlikely given that you're void. Even after a 4c bid and two passes to you, now you're going to risk coming in at the 4-level when you could have just come in at the 3-level? Winning bridge is getting in your bids when you can.

Hi,

 

sitting on the table, I may go into a tank,

and if I feel I go into a tank, than I bid, 3H.

 

If I pass, than it will be quickly, and I will

know that I am gambling.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: You list the risks of passing, and I agree, I even

agree, that one should try to bid one owns hand as

direct as possible, but of course their is also a danger

in bidding.

Pass maybe antipercentage (most likely looking at the

majority vote), but it maybe successsful.

[Fluffy]

Needless to say, but I passed and the final contract was 3♣ B)

[mikeh]

 

Shame on you, Mike! I think I will send a copy of this to the European Court of Human Rights. Needless to say, half of our fleet is already on the way to Halifax. I would take evasive action if I were you.

 

Roland

I meant no offense to Danish literature.. altho some might wonder how strong that is, given that the most famous fictional Dane is a creation of an English playwright :)

 

BTW, Roland... by all means send your entire Navy to Halifax.... I live 4 time zones away on an island in the Pacific B)

 

I take solace in the fact that the Danish navy will, I gather, no longer be harrassing innocent Canadian seagulls as they nest on and forage around Hans O, that well-known Canadian island resort.... so even if the good citizens of Halifax have to put up with drunken Danish sailors cavorting in the streets, it will not be all bad news :)

[jtfanclub]

Needless to say, but I passed and the final contract was 3♣ :)

And that was a frownie face?

 

I would have guessed, if partner passed, that they had game in a black suit.

[jdonn]

Needless to say, but I passed and the final contract was 3♣ ;)

And that was a frownie face?

 

I would have guessed, if partner passed, that they had game in a black suit.

Partner's balanced 12 with four clubs combined with your 9 probably makes a game by the other side unlikely.

[han]

Needless to say, but I passed and the final contract was 3♣ ;)

I am curious how you look back at this now that everybody says 3H is obvious. Do you see this as a sign that requiring such strong hands to act is a losing agreement? Do you see it as judgement mistake? Or do you just see it as bad luck, a bad hand for your methods that are otherwise fine?

[jtfanclub]

Partner's balanced 12 with four clubs combined with your 9 probably makes a game by the other side unlikely.

You mean something like...[hv=n=st86hkq5dkq7cq962&w=skqj2hat9dj942cj5&e=s9754h7d5cakt8743&s=sa3hj86432dat863c]399|300|[/hv]

 

Seriously, though, I don't tend to bid based on "what if partner has an aboslute max". If partner has a balanced 10 count with 3 clubs, which I think is more common, I think game becomes a good chance for them.

 

Let me put it this way. If the 3♣ bid had been second hand, so you can be pretty sure partner does not have a 12 count, does that change your call?