Trpltrbl Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Luis auction was efficient and got to the top spot....1♥-2♦3♣-3♠3NT-4NT6NT-Pass It is clear from the comments most of the viewers thought the natural and forcing 2♦ was an abomination. I thought it was great. When ♠ are subsequently bid the slam interest nature of the hand quickly becomes to clear. Luis's auction keeps 6♦, 6♥, 6♠ and 6NT all in the picture. I for one liked luis's approach. Ben I agree with the auction upto the 4 NT bid. I would have bid 4http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif to show 5-5 or better and slamgoing, pd can now make a better decision I think. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 xx,Jxxx,AKx, KQJxx Well Luis, playing Polish C I would definitely bid 1H on this hand, so I hope you would not revoke my certificate to play :D . Mind you I would not teach or recommend this style to anyone until they could competently bid normally. bglover, Continuations would be 1C 1H1N 2N - 2N= forcing, inv with 4M 6m OR GF with 4M & 5+C After 2N Opener bids3C if he does not accept C3C if he accepts C but not D3H/S/N if he accepts both ms, making the most descriptive bid A 3D bid arther than 2N by responder would show 4M and longer Ds. GF. You don't have to play Mafia to play Polish Club, it is largely a matter of style, but the top PC players eg Balicki Zsmudzinski etc all seem to use it. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bglover Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Well sure, you have ways now to show me your suits and respective lengths. Works great... but in SAYC or 2/1 absent some special gadgetry you have to drop MAFIA with better hands and bid the longer suit 1st then reverse to show your other suit with a good hand. I don't doubt that many big club-type systems have a more elegant and accurate solution to this, nor do I advocate that 2/1 or SAYC are the "best" systems. But it's what most people play on BBO and probably in the worldl. I have looked at some systems like Viking Club (as one example) where there is no doubt some abilites to pin down specific shape and size. They seem to me highly accurate but take way more memory power than I could muster, so I stick to natural bidding because of that. Doesn't mean I don't believe there aren't valid alternates out there, just that my aging brain couldn't handle them anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Yes, your comments are certainly correct - by far most don't play this way. My current pd does not like this style either, so I only play it when I am playing Polish C with a few others. As I said, I would not recommend anyone use this style until they are very comfortable with natural bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted February 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 xx,Jxxx,AKx, KQJxx Well Luis, playing Polish C I would definitely bid 1H on this hand, so I hope you would not revoke my certificate to play :o . Mind you I would not teach or recommend this style to anyone until they could competently bid normally. bglover, Continuations would be 1C 1H1N 2N - 2N= forcing, inv with 4M 6m OR GF with 4M & 5+C After 2N Opener bids3C if he does not accept C3C if he accepts C but not D 3H/S/N if he accepts both ms, making the most descriptive bid A 3D bid arther than 2N by responder would show 4M and longer Ds. GF. You don't have to play Mafia to play Polish Club, it is largely a matter of style, but the top PC players eg Balicki Zsmudzinski etc all seem to use it. Ron A bit confused so you bid 3C when you does not accept C and 3D if he accepts C but not D or the other way round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 A bit confused so you bid 3C when you does not accept C and 3D if he accepts C but not D Yes this is correct! As responder has a longer minor, you bid the minor you don't like. This is like responding to a multiPd opens 2D which shows a weak 2 in some MajorWith xx KJxx Axxx Axx you would respond 2S, this would be a mild game try in H or a sign off if pd has SWith KJxx xx Axxx Axx you would respond 2H and if pd bids 2S showing that weak 2, you would raise to 3 invitationally. Ben calls these "Paradox" responses. There is a web site which deals with these things and Ben might post the url if he reads this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Ben calls these "Paradox" responses. There is a web site which deals with these things and Ben might post the url if he reads this. For paradox advances, see http://www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/paradox.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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