AceOfHeart Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I am arguing with one of my friends on whether you should see slam with this handas south [hv=s=sakjxhaxxdkxxcxxx]133|100|[/hv] Bidding goes N ___ S 1D __1S2C Here my friend sugguest I bid 3nt to show bith major stopped and more of the to play type and if my p is really interested he can go slam him self i However bidded differently N________ S 1D_______ 1S2C ______ 2H(4SGF)3D(6 card) _4D(rkcb in diamonds)4NT(2w/o) _6D As i have both major stopped and accounts for all my p major losers i decided to go to slam hoping :D that trumps break 22 and he can somehow avoid 2 club losers [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sqhq2da87654caj103&w=s9543h10543dqck972&e=s10872hkj96dj109cq4&s=sakj6ha87dk32c865]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]As it happens the first defender underlead king heart giving my p his 12th trick. Other wise given our skill level i doubt It would be made although it looks cold double dummy :) But the main question is should you go for slam after partner shows you a 6-4 hand with opening points? after all we maybe just 27 points and could down quite alot when 3nt is cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi, This is the kind of hand that you need to invite your partner's participation. It is good enough to have slam interest, but not good enough to force to slam (as you did). You need to find an invintational sequence using your scheme. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I wouldn't go for slam. There are sever reasons for that:1. Your partner is minimal2. You have 15HCP and a 4333 distribution, so together with partner you won't even reach the 30HCPs3. (maybe the most important) Your partner is unbalanced in both minors, and you have almost all your HCP in the majors4. you dont help to get rid of 'all' losers your partner has I'd bid 2♥, to rightside a possible NT contract (if partner has Qxx, we have a double stop). If he hasnt got a stop, I'll still bid 3NT. 4333s are usually not good for slams: no length to pitch losers and no shortness to ruff losers. If you dont have 30+ combined HCP, you'd never try slam with a 4333 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I pretty much agree with all of Free's comments on this hand. Hate 4333s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 swap red queens, giving the same minimum but with ♥xx and ♦AQxxxx you will not be happy with your conservative view. Invite slam, not sign off, not force slam, is right. After all, partner doesn't have to have a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 After all, partner doesn't have to have a minimum. Yeah, I suppose. My partners usually do though, and I really do have a "thing" about 4333 shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 swap red queens, giving the same minimum but with ♥xx and ♦AQxxxx you will not be happy with your conservative view. Invite slam, not sign off, not force slam, is right. After all, partner doesn't have to have a minimum.Shouldn't opener rebid 2NT with the original hand, but bid 3♦ with the red queens swapped? Or do most people demand a full stop rather than a half stop for 2NT? Also, does 3♦ really promise 6 after FSF? What would opener rebid with♠xx ♥xx ♦AQxxx ♣AQxx or ♠x ♥xxx ♦AQxxx ♣AQxx? I agree with bidding FSF on the original hand, but not if opener isn't going to try to right side NT with ♥Qx. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 With xx-xx-AQxxx-AQxx you cant bid anything else than 2♠ imo, maybe 3♣With x-xxx-AQxxx-AQxx you can bid 3♥ or again maybe 3♣ So bidding 3♦ after FSF should imo be a 6 card. And with a 6 card ♦ my hand looks a bit better ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 IF there's a way to invite then invite, if there isn't then just bid game, it doesn't look like the best hand to force to slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceOfHeart Posted February 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I disagree with bidding 3 NT directly, go through 4 FSF and find out what pd has.As Hog said pd can still have more then a minimum, and I always believe Aces and Kings are good for slam, and with pd showing 6 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif and you play Minorwood you can always try, the only downside on this hand is the 4-3-3-3. If you haven't gone down in a slam before you don't bid them enough and believe me I have gone down before :D Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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