kgr Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&n=saqhad965cak98532&s=skj7432hkq942dqc7]133|200|Scoring: IMP1S-2C2H-4NT5D-6S[/hv]Lead ♠5.What is best plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 ♠A♥A♣A, ♣K (pitch diamond)♦ ruff♥ ruff♦ ruff♠K, ♠J When clubs are 3-2 you can survive either, but not both of hearts 5-2 and spades 4-1. When East has a singleton club, you still come out on top if hearts are 4-3 and spades are 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 ♠A♥A♣A, ♣K (pitch diamond)♦ ruff♥ ruff♦ ruff♠K, ♠J When clubs are 3-2 you can survive either, but not both of hearts 5-2 and spades 4-1. When East has a singleton club, you still come out on top if hearts are 4-3 and spades are 3-2. Thanks...1) You can play 2 spades from dummy and ♣A and ♣ ruff: makes if ♣'s are 3-2. (and also if player with 4 card ♣ has a 4 card ♠)....2) or the line given by you: makes if (♣'s are 3-2 and not both of hearts 5-2 and spades 4-1) OR (East has a singleton club and hearts are 4-3 and spades are 3-2.) How to calculate the probabilities of these 2 lines?Or even better: How to "feel" (or very rough calculation) which of both lines is best, so you can make the correct play at the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 ♠A♥A♣A, ♣K (pitch diamond)♦ ruff♥ ruff♦ ruff♠K, ♠J When clubs are 3-2 you can survive either, but not both of hearts 5-2 and spades 4-1. When East has a singleton club, you still come out on top if hearts are 4-3 and spades are 3-2. So you make if ♣ are 3-2 (68%) with ♥4-3 and ♠4-1 (17.36% combined) or ♥5-2 and ♠3-2 (21.08% combined) or ♥4-3 and ♠3-2 ((42.16% combined) for a total of 54.8%. In addition if east has singleton ♣ (14%) you make with ♥4-3 and ♠3-2 for an additional 5.9%. All in all your plan give a 60.7% chance of success. The simpler plan, cashing dummy's trumps, ♣A, ♣ruff, draw trumps and use ♥A as entry to the established clubs need ♣3-2 and trumps not worse than 4-1. This adds up to 65.3%. I've used rounded percentages here, so these numbers are just approximate. They'll be so little offset that it's clear that setting up dummy's clubs is the better line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 This was the full hand. I took the wrong line (Discarding ♦ on ♣'s and ruffing a ♥). If I could only do these calculations at the table :D [hv=n=saqhad965cak98532&w=st865h75dk832cqjt&e=s9hjt863dajt74c64&s=skj7432hkq942dqc7]399|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pretzalz Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 The simpler plan, cashing dummy's trumps, ♣A, ♣ruff, draw trumps and use ♥A as entry to the established clubs need ♣3-2 and trumps not worse than 4-1. This adds up to 65.3%. This is trivially inferior. Win the ♠A, and cash the top clubs pitching a diamond. If both clubs live you are cold, cash the ♠Q and in the worst case scenario of west having 2 clubs and 4 spades you ruff the third club high and play ♠K, spade. But you still preserve the extra chance when east is precisely 3=3=6=1 or 3=4=5=1 only at the expense of an overtrick when west has 4 spades and 2 clubs[which should be exactly equally likely as you are just mirroring the black suit splits]. Incidently, this line even survives 5-0 spades if LHO has 3 clubs[of course you find out about 5-0 spades at trick 1 so you'd hardly take a line that doesn't have a chance of picking up 5-0 spades]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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