mike777 Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 I just saw a report that Clemens, Pitcher for NY will get a cortisone shot for his elbow. The goal is it hopes it will improve his performance. Why is that legal but other chemicals not legal? If you need to get it from a Doc ok....just say so...but it seems that is not the case. If Steroids or HGH helps heal you faster...why ban them? Everything has side effects even asprin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 yup, pet peeve of mine... if steroids, for example, are made safer (and they are, relative to a decade or so ago), take them if you want... if you don't, don't... hell they can't even test for hgh, no telling how many are taking that as we speak.. and i agree, it does seem hypocritical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 How about autologous blood doping...taking your own blood, storing it during the offseason, then injecting the red blood cells into yourself just before the main event? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping What's the drug, here? Air? Your own blood? I agree, cortisone certainly seems to go over whatever magical line they're using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 What about stem cells, If we start using stem cells so people can walk, run, pitch or throw when before they could not or only do so poorly. What about operations to improve performance or implants such at tissue or ligaments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 The *steoid scandal* is mostly about baseball fans' hatred of records being broken. Maris and Aaron got booed, too, without steroids. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Cortisone (ˈkôrtəˌsōn or -zōn, IPA: ˈkɔrtɨˌsoʊn or -zoʊn)) (17-hydroxy-11-dehydrocorticosterone) is a steroid hormone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone Ok so steroids are legal? Just wonder why these stuff is not reported more fully in these stories. What does the media do all day long? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I just saw a report that Clemens, Pitcher for NY will get a cortisone shot for his elbow. The goal is it hopes it will improve his performance. Slight difference. The cortisone shot is to hopefully restore the joint to its previous condition - i.e., repair and not enhance. Enhance, only so far as enhancing a subpar performace back to par. Steroids are utilized to increase muscle mass and hence enhance beyond what is one's natural ability - a true enhancement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 I just saw a report that Clemens, Pitcher for NY will get a cortisone shot for his elbow. The goal is it hopes it will improve his performance. Slight difference. The cortisone shot is to hopefully restore the joint to its previous condition - i.e., repair and not enhance. Enhance, only so far as enhancing a subpar performace back to par. Steroids are utilized to increase muscle mass and hence enhance beyond what is one's natural ability - a true enhancement. So if I get an injured in someway...I can use all the drugs I want? What about operations that make the muscle better than before, tommy john surgery. Do vitamins enhace me or just repair? How about weight lifting? When am I allowed to try and make my self better and when not? Steroids enhance healing, or let you heal or recover faster...so is that ok? How am I allowed to try and get above par performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 So if I get an injured in someway...I can use all the drugs I want? Sure, as long as they are legal and being used in the prescribed manner. Corticosteroids are prescribed all the time in medicine. What about operations that make the muscle better than before, tommy john surgery. This is a misnomer. There is no way bo make through surgery muscle better than its pristine condition. Tommy John's surgery did not improve his muscles; it only allowed him to pitch again. Do vitamins enhace me or just repair? How about weight lifting? All, I beleve, are legal. When am I allowed to try and make my self better and when not? Within the law and the rules of contest. Steroids enhance healing, or let you heal or recover faster...so is that ok? Some steroids can do this; however, that is not their primary use. If a doctor prescribed steroid treatment for an injury, that would be acceptible; however, if an athlete used an illegal substance to gain an athletic advantage, that would be not only illegal but a violation of the rules. How am I allowed to try and get above par performance? It wouldn't matter if society deemed it legal and the rulesmakers approved it; the argument from baseball fans is not about records being broken but about unfair advantage. Truth is, it's all about money. How can you fault a lifetime .240 hitter from using steroids if he can hit .270 and knock 30 HRs - his next ballclub will pay him millions - case in point, Jason Giambi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Many cycling professionals have benefitted from EPO. The effect is dramatic, a medical doctor who does amateur cycling tried it out and shaved 4 minutes of his time to ride up Alpe d'Huez. Extrapolate to all the mountains in the Tour de France = difference between 1st and some place that no one will notice. Before it could be proven there were "health tests" since if your blood is highly viscous this may cause heart failure. 50% solid mass is the limit, and it is said that Bjarne Riis had well over 60% at some point. That is DANGEROUS! But he won. Also many cyclers are apparently asthmatic or have doctors who say they are. Then they are allowed some extra medicine, how convenient... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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