pclayton Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 IMPs, NV ♠Txxx ♥KQxx ♦x ♣xxxx Pard opens a 15-17 NT. Your call. Garbage Stayman is available by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 IMPs, NV ♠Txxx ♥KQxx ♦x ♣xxxx Pard opens a 15-17 NT. Your call. Garbage Stayman is available by the way. Normally I'd pass with this hand. Mainly because we have the agreement that with 3-3 in the majors the 1NT-opener pulls to 2♠ over 2♣-2♦-2♥. But it's close, and I can definitely stomach garbage Stayman on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Easy pass. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 I stayman. I have a chance to have done the right thing instantly (hearing a major) and the moysian might be ok by "reversing the dummy" in the sense of taking as many ruffs as I can with the long trump hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 I'd go for it, added benefit is that I might get to declare the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 2c I do have ruffing value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 If partner bids 2D, what is your rebid? (people have telling me to have a rebid ready) Will partner expect you to have 8+ points? xxxxxxxxxxxx would be an awful shape for p to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 If partner bids 2D, what is your rebid? (people have telling me to have a rebid ready) Will partner expect you to have 8+ points? xxxxxxxxxxxx would be an awful shape for p to have ur right a 3324 would be too horrible to think about. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 On the other hand, when you pass 1NT and they take the first gazillion diamond tricks, partner can always throw in his hand with that shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I'd pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 If partner bids 2D, what is your rebid? (people have telling me to have a rebid ready) Garbage Stayman is available by the way. I.e. 2♥ and partner won't expect 8 pts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Why would you play Garbage Stayman if you do not bid Garbage Stayman with a Garbage Stayman hand? The more interesting question, IMO, is whether the partnership can reach 3♣. Two possible ways seem plausible. First, you simply bid 2♣, hear 2♦, bid 2♥, hear 2♠, and bid 3♣. Worst case, you play 3♣ opposite 2326, of course. So, perhaps not so good. Better might be that you bid 2♣, partner bids 2♦, you bid 2♥, and partner is allowed to bid 2NT when 2245/3235/3226/2236. This would be the "right" bid IF Garbage Stayman is reserved for unbalanced hands without a five-card major or, if a 5-card major, then 3+ clubs (if correct 2♦ to 2♥). All in all, I'm not so sure the latter works either, but it intrigues me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 The latter works rather badly when responder is 5-5 in the majors, which I would call the "garbage stayman hand". I'd never get to 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I always pass with this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I would guess that the difference in the 2 poll choices comes down to how people play Garbage Stayman. If the auction goes 1N-2♣-2♦-2♥ is opener expected to pass since responder showed a 4♠5♥+ hand checking for a 4-4 fit (in which case pass is basically forced)? If so, it's too risky to try it with 4414 shape since you'll have to guess the major to correct 2♦ to and might play a 4-2 fit instead of a 4-3 fit (neither of which sounds great to me, frankly). Alternatively, some play that a 2♥ correction shows equal length in the majors and opener should take a length preference. if you play this way, then I guess 4414 is an ok shape if you're willing to play the 4-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Clear 2C for me, playing Garbage Stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I would bid 2♣ with a singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Clear pass for me, whatever methods you play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Clear pass for me, whatever methods you play... Unless 2♣ shows this hand .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Clear 2C for me. I'll risk ending in a poorer 4-3 contract for a chance to escape 1N into a 4-4 major fit. BTW, "Garbage Stayman" defines 1N-2C-2D-2H = weak with 4-4 or better in the majors. This is why "Garbage Stayman" is a convention rather than a convenience for responder when responder holds a 4450 hand and will pass any opener's rebid. If playing Garbage Stayman and responder has the 5♥/4♠ invitational hand, responder bids 2D followed by 2S, but with the 5♠/4♥ invitational hand, responder bids 2C followed by 2S over 2D. 2N by opener over 2H is NOT ALLOWED. Responder could be xxxxx xxxxx x xx. Opener must pass or correct to 2S with equal or better spades. PERIOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I play 1NT-2♣-2♦-2♥ as weak with 4♥4♠ so I don't see a problem with bidding 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I know what garbage stayman is, how it works,... I just don't think this hand qualifies. You have a nice 5-pointer with a decent 4 card suit, and probably a ♠ stopper. 1NT will probably make, so why risk playing 2M on a misfit hand? Garbage stayman is imo better used for hands where 1NT seems impossible to make, trying to find a better strain. Take away the ♥KQ and it's perfect imo, now you have some well positioned values, so no reason to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I know what garbage stayman is, how it works,... I just don't think this hand qualifies. You have a nice 5-pointer with a decent 4 card suit, and probably a ♠ stopper. 1NT will probably make, so why risk playing 2M on a misfit hand? Garbage stayman is imo better used for hands where 1NT seems impossible to make, trying to find a better strain. Take away the ♥KQ and it's perfect imo, now you have some well positioned values, so no reason to run. Ditto. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchTsch Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 so no reason to run. Who is running?Just looking for a better spot to play.Don't know the odds but there is a significant chance that partner will rebid a major. Let's say around 50%, someone can correct me with real numbers.In the other 50% there is a possibility that 2M in 4-3 fit will play better than 1NT.So I vote for 2♣ because I think the odds are with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 so no reason to run. Who is running?Just looking for a better spot to play.Don't know the odds but there is a significant chance that partner will rebid a major. Let's say around 50%, someone can correct me with real numbers.In the other 50% there is a possibility that 2M in 4-3 fit will play better than 1NT.So I vote for 2♣ because I think the odds are with me. This is imps, so you don't have to play the best part score. Finding a playable one is good enough, and guess what: we just found one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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