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You end up declarer in 4 in the South. The contract was inferior, but the one I had to declare anyway.

 

I suspected at a critical point that I should take a certain type of line, but I decided against that and did not analyze the play along that line any further, embarking instead upon a losing line.

 

I'm curious if anyone thinks that this should make, or at least be attempted, along the line I considered.

 

The lead was the diamond King, won by LHO. LHO then continued with the diamond Queen.

 

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There seems to be one obvious line, which I assume is the losing one...

 

Ace of clubs, club ruff, spade to the ace, club ruff, AK of hearts. Ostensibly just needs clubs 4-3, hearts not 5-0, spades not 4-0.

 

And it might recover from 5-2 clubs depending on what happens next and what trump holding they ruff and who ruffs. It also might recover from 4-0 spades if they ruff with a trump trick.

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There seems to be one obvious line, which I assume is the losing one...

 

Ace of clubs, club ruff, spade to the ace, club ruff, AK of hearts. Ostensibly just needs clubs 4-3, hearts not 5-0, spades not 4-0.

 

And it might recover from 5-2 clubs depending on what happens next and what trump holding they ruff and who ruffs. It also might recover from 4-0 spades if they ruff with a trump trick.

exactly my thoughts

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There seems to be one obvious line, which I assume is the losing one...

 

Ace of clubs, club ruff, spade to the ace, club ruff, AK of hearts.  Ostensibly just needs clubs 4-3, hearts not 5-0, spades not 4-0.

 

And it might recover from 5-2 clubs depending on what happens next and what trump holding they ruff and who ruffs. It also might recover from 4-0 spades if they ruff with a trump trick.

exactly my thoughts

and mine

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There seems to be one obvious line, which I assume is the losing one...

 

Ace of clubs, club ruff, spade to the ace, club ruff, AK of hearts. Ostensibly just needs clubs 4-3, hearts not 5-0, spades not 4-0.

 

And it might recover from 5-2 clubs depending on what happens next and what trump holding they ruff and who ruffs. It also might recover from 4-0 spades if they ruff with a trump trick.

Hard to see another line coming closer than half as good as this one.

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There seems to be one obvious line, which I assume is the losing one...

 

Ace of clubs, club ruff, spade to the ace, club ruff, AK of hearts. Ostensibly just needs clubs 4-3, hearts not 5-0, spades not 4-0.

 

And it might recover from 5-2 clubs depending on what happens next and what trump holding they ruff and who ruffs. It also might recover from 4-0 spades if they ruff with a trump trick.

I think slightly better is AK, A, ruff club, K, ruff 2nd club. I believe that gives you more chances to make if clubs are 5-2.

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Well, here's the rub that I have not yet seen analyzed. This is MP, right? It seems that the par contract should be 4, because of the Swan hand as Responder. So, assuming that alternative contract of 4, and the inferences available from the lead, is there an alternative line that provide the same trick expectation in 4 as in 4? Or, does the set-up-clubs line provide the same trick expectation as 4? Or, is there a line that seems mathematically most likely to cater to the same trick expectation as 4? Does this factor matter?
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Well, here's the rub that I have not yet seen analyzed.  This is MP, right?  It seems that the par contract should be 4, because of the Swan hand as Responder.  So, assuming that alternative contract of 4, and the inferences available from the lead, is there an alternative line that provide the same trick expectation in 4 as in 4?  Or, does the set-up-clubs line provide the same trick expectation as 4?  Or, is there a line that seems mathematically most likely to cater to the same trick expectation as 4?  Does this factor matter?

If there's no trump loser and clubs are 4-3 you'll often make 12 tricks in a spade contract. If one but not the other black suit is favourable you'll often make 11 tricks.

 

The only way to counter that, I think, is to play for Qx in trumps in 4. That means cashing AK dropping the queen, then AK and ruff if needed, trump to jack and claim 11 tricks. You can never match 12 tricks if that's the outcome in a contract.

 

I believe the Frances proposed line is better - play as safely as you can for ten tricks, get 11 part of the time and hope you match the normal result playing in spades. I don't think you need to go 'all in' for making five here.

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Well, here's the rub that I have not yet seen analyzed.  This is MP, right?  It seems that the par contract should be 4, because of the Swan hand as Responder.  So, assuming that alternative contract of 4, and the inferences available from the lead, is there an alternative line that provide the same trick expectation in 4 as in 4?  Or, does the set-up-clubs line provide the same trick expectation as 4?  Or, is there a line that seems mathematically most likely to cater to the same trick expectation as 4?  Does this factor matter?

If there's no trump loser and clubs are 4-3 you'll often make 12 tricks in a spade contract. If one but not the other black suit is favourable you'll often make 11 tricks.

 

The only way to counter that, I think, is to play for Qx in trumps in 4. That means cashing AK dropping the queen, then AK and ruff if needed, trump to jack and claim 11 tricks. You can never match 12 tricks if that's the outcome in a contract.

 

I believe the Frances proposed line is better - play as safely as you can for ten tricks, get 11 part of the time and hope you match the normal result playing in spades. I don't think you need to go 'all in' for making five here.

That's the line I took, for the most part.

 

I won the second diamond on dummy and then spade to the Ace, dropping Jack to my left. After two top hearts, I found out about a 4-1 split. I managed to win the second diamond on dummy (1), the spade Ace (2), the heart A-K (4), the spade K as a gift (5), the club A-K (7), the heart Jack en passant (8), and then to throw RHO in with the last spade, forced to lead a diamond (9) for down one. Poor result, of course.

 

However, 5 did make. At MP, down one was as bad in the scoring as just making four.

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