cherdano Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 IMPs, all white, J J93 AJ4 KJT863RHO deals and opens 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 2♣. Get in the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Very close for me. I voted pass, but I'd overcall with x-Q9x-AJx-KJ108xx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The passers might also consider 3♣, if 2♣ showed more than this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would overcall. I would rather overcall on this hand than if the ten of clubs were the ace of spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would overcall. I would rather overcall on this hand than if the ten of clubs were the ace of spades. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Pass, Prefer more for a 2level overcall, do not think 2clubs robs them of much space other than a forcing nt. Partner is an unpassed hand. btw I do not think bidding 2c is bad, it is close. This may force partner under the gun if it goes 1s=p=3s(weak) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Lawrence overcalls 2c nv on:3...A3....T532...KQJ763 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Seems obvious to bid 2C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Lawrence overcalls 2c nv on:3...A3....T532...KQJ763 Well yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Lawrence overcalls 2c nv on:3...A3....T532...KQJ763 Well yes. The point being that hand is better than the one in this thread. But then Justin and others seem to say this example is auto also so......:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Lawrence overcalls 2c nv on:3...A3....T532...KQJ763 Well yes. The point being that hand is better than the one in this thread. But then Justin and others seem to say this example is auto also so......:) The point being that the quality and length of the suit is far more important than the strength of the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Lawrence overcalls 2c nv on:3...A3....T532...KQJ763 I would also overcall 2♣ with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Put me in the 'obvious 2C' camp. One of my partners likes to double on this sort of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would overcall, and ♣10 makes the difference. Without it I would not. 2♣ has no pre-emptive effect over 1♠; I would be much happier if the opening had been 1♦. As Sabine Auken has pointed out several times: a 2♣ overcall after 1♦ often makes it difficult for the opponents. As it is here, one major has been bid already, so the 2♣ overcall is unlikely to make it difficult for my LHO. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would overcall, and ♣10 makes the difference. Without it I would not. 2♣ has no pre-emptive effect over 1♠; I would be much happier if the opening had been 1♦. As Sabine Auken has pointed out several times: a 2♣ overcall after 1♦ often makes it difficult for the opponents. As it is here, one major has been bid already, so the 2♣ overcall is unlikely to make it difficult for my LHO. Roland That's one of the difference for me. Had the opening been 1♦, 2♣ looks beter, both for preemptive effect and because I now have notrump viability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would overcall, and ♣10 makes the difference. Without it I would not. I'm with Roland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 1NT, 3 suited takeout. Otherwise, 2♣ for reasons above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 This is close for me, but the hand is just not good enough for a 2♣ overcall in my style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I miss the 3♣ option, pass or 3♣depends on vulnerability, not even close to 2♣ IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Wherever assessing a close overcall, I go through a couple of questions. For me, on this hand, those weigh in favor of a pass. 1. Will I help or impede the opponents? I don't want to lead against a spade contract, and 2♣ makes it more likely that I also lead against a heart contract. Plus, I do not want to make easier the normal difficult problem of focusing hearts after a spade opening. 2. If overcalling a minor, do I like the prospects of a 3NT contract? No. 3. If I am Jump Overcalling, I will discourage bids in side majors; if I Simple Overcall, I encourage them -- which do I want? Here, my hearts suck, so I'd want to discourage, but slightly. Plus, my clubs are bad for a heart contract. 4. Do I have a reasonable defensive contribution? No. Close, but not quite enough. I like my diamonds, but I dislike my lead. 5. Might I like a sacrifice? No. Although I do not like my hand for doubling because of too little defense, I have too much body for sacrificing. Jacks all over the place cause problems for declarers at high levels. Plus, I have an 8-loser hand, which is about as poor as you can get in context. My LTC-to-Body ratio is horrible. 6. Do I have a surprise Zia-feature? No. My Jack of Spades is stiff, so Declarer's restricted-choice guess, if he has one, will be right. My values will be on the table, and none of them will be surprising values. 7. Will I feel pressured later if I do not act now? No. I can cope with partner making a red-suit call, doubling, passing, whatever, if I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Im beginning to get tired of these do you overcall question. Its a defensive-offensive ratio style problems. Either you allow weakish overcall or you don`t. Most average players think that you should overcall as long as it relatively safe to overcall. They just don`t see the whole equation. With today very agressive bridge I like to X my opponents and so does my partner so we play sound value all around except for preempts. Im expecting partner to have close to 1 quick trick for a 1 level overcall 1.5 for an opening and 2 for a 2 level overcall (or a strong club opening) there is nothing more to it. We don`t overcall with (but ill preempt) KQJTxxQJxJxxx We don`t open with (its a 2♠ or 3♠ for me) KQJxxxQxxxQxQ etc... When the bidding goes 1♠ ---(2♣)---4♠---??? I prefer to be able to X with hand like AQAxxxxxxxxxQx Then to find a sacrifice that will bring me 3 imps. We miss some low HCP games we miss some sacrifice but its a "sound values" systemic choice and we live with it. If super agressive style is working nice for you then keep the pressure on your opponents by bidding as much as you can. The most important thing is that both side of the partnership are on the same wavelenght. The 2nd most is that with a new or a pickup partner play sound values its just a lot more simple. 3rd Its ok to be bold and agressive as long as your able to return to a more classical style if your ass is being kicked badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Wherever assessing a close overcall, I go through a couple of questions. For me, on this hand, those weigh in favor of a pass. 1. Will I help or impede the opponents? 2. If overcalling a minor, do I like the prospects of a 3NT contract? 3. If I am Jump Overcalling, I will discourage bids in side majors; if I Simple Overcall, I encourage them -- which do I want? 4. Do I have a reasonable defensive contribution? 5. Might I like a sacrifice? 6. Do I have a surprise Zia-feature? 7. Will I feel pressured later if I do not act now? How long does it nromally take you to make an overcall? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Im beginning to get tired of these do you overcall question. Well then what are you typing a long reply for lol. You want some cheese with your whine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Well, I would butt-in. If we have a 5C save, this is the ONLY way to find it, bar pard having a freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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