Free Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Say you play a 1♣ opening showing:- normal opening with ♣s (minimum length depending on the rest of the system), say 3+♣s- 18+ HCP any shape How do you deal with natural intervention?? Examples: 1X, 2C (55+M or whatever), 2X weak, 3X preemptive,... How does partner bid, how do you show the 18+ version, how the normal version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Any bid by opener shows the stronger C version. As the 1C opening can have a 5+ card M, bids of a M at the minimum level show a min strong hand with 5+ cards, NT bids are natural, and X is for takeout. Continuations over this are normal - pd raises or cues with support, depending on strength, or bids NT at the appropriate level. Over a t/o X at the 2 level, Leb applies - or if you want to get fancy, Rubenshol. After a 2C or 2D 2 suited overcall, the first 2 Xs are for takeout and the third is for penalties. This is what we play and it seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 And how does responder bid? As it was a normal 1♣ opening or do you use some other scheme after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 And how does responder bid? As it was a normal 1♣ opening or do you use some other scheme after that? That depends on the level of intervention, Free. If it is at the 2 level, then as I stated Leb is used to show weak/better hands. Here is a summary:After 1C (X)P=0-61D = 7-11 H1H = 7-11 S1S = 6-9 C1N = 7-9 no M2C = GF short C!!2? Weak 1C (2D) Wilkosz2N N/f with a m OR GF with some M3m forcingX 9+ pts 1C (2H)2N Leb - various weak or strong options3C/D forcingX 9-11, or GF if opener bids again Similar over a 2S overcall, except that X = invit with 5H or GF with 4H. If you can translate Polish, I can send you the complete structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I can't translate Polish :unsure: ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Neither can I but my pd can, & I try hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I can't translate Polish :unsure: ;) i think there is an englsih version polish club somewhere. u can just google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Bridgebase polish site has polish club summary and large polish club system write up in english. http://www.bridgebase.pl/index2.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dan Neill has a version in his systems page: WJ2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 A couple of points:Dan has essentially 2 Polish Club, (PC),variants on his web site. (There are a couple of exotic others, such as relay based PC. WJ2000 is Jassem's write up of the way most play PC. This is not what the top Poles play - cf SAYC with 2/1. This is also the write up on the Polish BBO site. The second system is a summary of Strefa which is what Marek Wojcicki plays and also Kwiecken. This has a 2C GF opening unlike PC which has a 12+ club and a Precision style 2C. Neither of these have detailed structures over intervention. Marek's notes do have this detail, but as I stated, they are in Polish. With a bit of nous, however, you can work out the meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 I got a question then for the WJ folks - why is it after intervention of their 1♣ opening the only bids they know are pass and double? Is this systemic? Realize for the record my pard and I treat ALL 1♣ openings as strong, and use our Nightmare defense against it. Normally we get good boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 I got a question then for the WJ folks - why is it after intervention of their 1♣ opening the only bids they know are pass and double? Is this systemic? Realize for the record my pard and I treat ALL 1♣ openings as strong, and use our Nightmare defense against it. Normally we get good boards. That is not my experience -the only bids they know are pass and double? - Pass is certainly not uncommon, as most of the time the 1C opener will have a weak NT type of hand. For this reason it is systemically poor to treat the 1C opening as a strong bid. An interesting defence is to use the structure you use over the opp's 1N opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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