Who underbid?

[cnszsun]

[hv=d=s&v=a&n=sq4hak632dt8ct753&s=sajt85h8dakj762c9]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♦

 Pass  1♥    Pass  1♠

 Pass  1NT   Pass  2♠

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

[han]

All calls seem reasonable to me.

[Guest Jlall]

I think south needs to bid 3S at his second turn, his hand is really good.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

North, assuming that South did

show 6-5.

North should at least bid 3D.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[skjaeran]

North's hand isn't great in support of a 5-6 south hand. Admittedly three of his four cards in partner's suits are good, but there's only four of them. ♥AK can on worst be absolutely worthless.

 

South on the other hand has kept the bidding low from the start, rebidding 1♠, thus denying reverse strenght (correctly so). The good interiors in the spade suit and strong diamons suit really should induce a jump to 3♠ over 1NT. You don't need much from partner to make game and should tell partner so.

[Free]

South underbid, he has a great distribution, and his honours are well placed. 2♠ is poor imo...

[neilkaz]

North's hand isn't great in support of a 5-6 south hand. Admittedly three of his four cards in partner's suits are good, but there's only four of them. ♥AK can on worst be absolutely worthless.

 

South on the other hand has kept the bidding low from the start, rebidding 1♠, thus denying reverse strenght (correctly so). The good interiors in the spade suit and strong diamons suit really should induce a jump to 3♠ over 1NT. You don't need much from partner to make game and should tell partner so.

Yes, agreed, but I think I'd take another call as North in the given auction and bid 3♦

[reisig]

South hand makes game if partner has 3 small Spades ..and nothing! South was more than timid.

[neilkaz]

South hand makes game if partner has 3 small Spades ..and nothing! South was more than timid.

Unless there's two ♠ losers or on a real bad day 2♦ losers. However, given that N has responded, there must be a superb chance for game and I also think 3♠ is clear.

 

Blame 80% South and 20% North (noting again that I make a 3♦ call as N here after the actual 2♠)

 

.. neilkaz ..

[pclayton]

South has a 3♠ rebid at his last turn. You'd rebid 2♠ with a 5-6 9 count wouldn't you?

 

North's pass looks MP happy to me - at IMPs. The 5-2 rates to play poorly with the tap. I'd convert to 3♦, which gives South another chance.

[kenrexford]

I think that the answer depends, to a large degree, on the style of bidding when 6-5. A 6-5 hand, before looking at honors, starts out with a mere eight losers by LTC, which is quite powerful. Adding in just two Aces get you down to a six-loser hand. One more honor, and you are at five losers.

 

North has one clear cover (spade Queen) and 1-2 clear cards additional (the heart A-K). That seems to get me to 3♠ being a safe contract, unless Opener could have a quite trashy hand.

 

Personally, perhaps pure style and perhaps not liked by some, I will open 1♠ with less body. This actual hand seems about right to me. For me, then, North should at least push with 3♠.

[Fluffy]

If opponents have a ♣ lead game is not very good. I don't mind much missing this games.

[jdonn]

I don't really think south underbid, how good is this hand when it doesn't catch 3 cards in one of the suits? Not very. And when it does partner is still there. When he has the "perfect minimums" like Kxx xxxxx Qx xxx he should raise, obviously honor cards in those suits are golden and that would make game opposite AQxxx x KJxxxx x on just some 3-2 breaks. I think both players are maximums and a game that was only very iffy anyway was missed.

 

North might well have gone back to 3♦ but anyway south can't be bidding over that, his partner could have no working cards at all and just a lot of wastage in hearts and clubs.

[jtfanclub]

Huh.

 

I guess I consider this hand strong enough to not have a rebid issue.

 

I open 1 spade and rebid 3 diamonds (I may not have the points, but what a shape!). If partner passes 1 spade, that's where we need to be anyways.

 

I only open 1 of a minor with a 5 card major with a weak hand.

[Codo]

I like the idea of a 3 Spade rebid after I limited my hand with my 1 Spade bid. But I had no problems with the given bidding either. Pd needs perfect help for 4 Spade or 5 Diamonds.

[hoolie]

For those of you who like a 3S bid, why not

1D P 1H P

2S?

 

it is only a point light and a level lower than 3S.

[Codo]

For those of you who like a 3S bid, why not

1D P 1H P

2S?

 

it is only a point light and a level lower than 3S.

For me 2 Spade is game forcing and my hand is simply not good enough for this.

I need around 20 HCP or some less with such a good shape.

But 13 HCPs is well below the limit, so 1 Spade is just enough.

[han]

South on the other hand has kept the bidding low from the start, rebidding 1♠, thus denying reverse strenght (correctly so).

In my book 1S does not deny reversee strength, only gameforcing strength. 1D-1H-2S is a GF jump shift.

 

I think I do agree that south was worth 3S, this hand has considerably more than a minimum opening bid with 5-6 shape.

[skjaeran]

South on the other hand has kept the bidding low from the start, rebidding 1♠, thus denying reverse strenght (correctly so).

In my book 1S does not deny reversee strength, only gameforcing strength. 1D-1H-2S is a GF jump shift.

Agree, I meant GF strenght.

[hoolie]

[quoteI like a 3S bid, why not

1D P 1H P

2S?

it is only a point light and a level lower than 3S.

 

For me 2 Spade is game forcing and my hand is simply not good enough for this.

I need around 20 HCP or some less with such a good shape.

But 13 HCPs is well below the limit, so 1 Spade is just enough.

 

SH: When you look at the requirements for a 2C bid for a

two-suiter (although some prefer to bid the suits) the HCP

is not as much as a concern or varies according to the #

of playing tricks. This hand is worth 17 or 18 and although

responder had Qx AKxxx Tx xxxx, a maximum, responder

could have a King less, Qx Axxxx Tx xxxx. And the game of

5D, which seems less discussed than dinking 4S, is over 65%

when the spade finesse is parlayed with the drop of the DQ

if there is no entry to take the second finesse, even when 4-1