question about 2 heart bid

[sceptic]

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West North East South

 

 -     2♣    Pass  2♥

 Pass  3♥    Pass  4♥

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

 

if you play 2 D waiting, and 2 hearts is NOT double neg, should you have a 5 card suit?

[zasanya]

If undiscussed I will presume 5 cards.

[Fluffy]

actually 5.5 cards, bad 5 card suit is not enough.

[pbleighton]

Playing 2D waiting, for 2M you should have 5+ cards and at least two out of the top three honors.

 

For 3m you should have 6+ cards and at least two out of the top three honors.

 

Peter

[helene_t]

Yes, you need a good 5-card suit. As in most other situations, there is no need to introduce a 4-card as you first suit since a 4-4-fit can be found in some other way (Stayman, negative double, opener introduces a 4-card as his second suit). The general principle that your first suit is a 5-card certainly applies here. The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.

[Walddk]

Yes, you need a good 5-card suit. As in most other situations, there is no need to introduce a 4-card as you first suit since a 4-4-fit can be found in some other way (Stayman, negative double, opener introduces a 4-card as his second suit). The general principle that your first suit is a 5-card certainly applies here. The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.

I agree with your first point because a 2♣ opening is space consuming without telling anything about hand type. I do not agree with your second comment:

 

The fact that a 1-level response in a suit can be a 4-card is an exception.

 

♠ K4

♥ 1083

♦ AJ98

♣ KQJ2

 

1♠ - ??

 

Would you respond anything but 2♣ with that hand? I don't think anyone has the agreement that 2♣ shows 5+ cards. The same applies with a hand like this:

 

♠ K4

♥ AQ62

♦ AQ107

♣ 743

 

Is there a better response than 2♦ to 1♠ with that hand?

 

Finally, there is even a hand where a 2♣ response over 1♠ can be three cards:

 

♠ A95

♥ KQ104

♦ 943

♣ KQ2

 

I think it's common to respond 2♣ as the most flexible call.

 

Roland

[SoTired]

Welll..... if you play that a 2C followed by 2N rebid = 20-21, then 2M = 0-3 HCP, natural 5/6 card suit :)