get in , stay out?

[jillybean]

[hv=d=s&v=b&s=s10xxhaxxxxdxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P (P) 1♥ P

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Do you bid now (how high) or stay out of the auction, assuming it is a bad idea to come in later. B)

(...I must read 'the law')

[P_Marlowe]

2H, unless 3H is preemptive, i.e. you

have agreed to play some kind of Bergen.

 

It is not even clear, that I would sell the

hand as a constructive raise.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[1eyedjack]

I could never bring myself to pass 1H with that. I prefer all direct raises to be pretty weak, the level signifying the support. By that token I should be bidding 4H but I really cannot bring myself to do it on this hand, especially as both opps have passed so I would only be talking them out of a game bid that they do not look like bidding anyway. So a weak 3H would be fine for me, but if playing that as a game try I would bid 2H.

 

Incidentally I saw the whole hand, and have to say that I don't agree with any of your partner's calls except when he chose to pass. But that is perhaps contentious. However I would not crawl into 4H by a slow route. There-in lies a sure double. You got a bit lucky there.

[pbleighton]

2H is enough. I can always bid 3H later.

 

I wouldn't bid a preemptive 3H directly. We may be able to buy it for 2.

 

Peter

[Wackojack]

2 hearts....... but I have seen an international responding a sneaky 1NT on a similar hand

[pclayton]

2 hearts....... but I have seen an international responding a sneaky 1NT on a similar hand

3♥ if weak; 2♥ otherwise.

 

1N if in a jovial mood.

[cherdano]

I would bid 3H. I am really glad noone bid 4H so far.

[han]

Pass is certainly not an option, you are good enough to respond 2H and you might bid 3H depending on your agreement. The hand is not suitable for a preemptive jump to 4H, it is too flat.

[EricK]

If I am going to raise ♥, and if 3♥ is pre-emptive then I bid that. Otherwise I would have to contend myself with 2♥ - but that just begs the opps to compete.

 

Other tries are the psyche of 1♠ or a forcing 1NT (but should I be mentioning these on B/I forum?!).

[ralph23]

3♥, playing Bergen. I suspect this will shut them up.

[jdonn]

Partner obviously has a good hand so I'm not worried they will make something, so 2♥. If partner was in first seat I would probably bid 1NT and try to slow things down and be a little deceptive.

[Guest Jlall]

3H preemptive is a silly agreement, both opps have passed. Just bid 2H.

[1eyedjack]

3H preemptive is a silly agreement, both opps have passed. Just bid 2H.

I think it depends on how narrowly defined the "preemptive" 3H is. I agree, if it wide range then it reckons to lose. On this hand I reckon that the chances of buying it in 2H can be consigned to the back of a postage stamp. So what are you going to do next round? Sell out? Maybe right, but I would take the push to 3H anyway. So I just need to distinguish between an immediate 3H raise and one that goes via 2H (or some 1N malarky). How you swap the hand types between the options may not matter a whole heap.

[jdonn]

So what are you going to do next round? Sell out?

You won't have to decide, partner is at least making a game try after 2♥, that you generously left him room to make if that's what you bid.

[1eyedjack]

So what are you going to do next round?  Sell out?

You won't have to decide, partner is at least making a game try after 2♥, that you generously left him room to make if that's what you bid.

I am not right bothered whether I get to 3H via an immediate 3H that partner passes, or via a 2H raise then rejection of game try. Of the two I marginally prefer the former, but I recognise that if I choose 3H on hands like this then I will have to go via the game try rejected on other hands, hence I don't make a big issue of it.

[Quantumcat]

My partner tends to open 8 counts in 3rd seat so I am staying the heck away!

[awm]

I'd go with 3♥. It seems fairly likely to me that LHO has a weakish hand with a spade suit and RHO has a good hand. Bidding 2♥ lets LHO bid 2♠ and RHO possibly raise. Anyways, either because of a balance/pre-balance or a game try by partner I expect to end up in 3♥ or above. I'm really not sure whether to accept a game try on this hand anyway, since I have no outside values in whatever suit partner asks about, but I have two extra trumps and game could easily be good. It seems like 3♥ communicates this rather well (a bunch of trumps, not a lot of stuff on the side).

[mike777]

I would bid 3H not good enough for 2H.

[Guest Jlall]

I can't believe 3H as weak is standard. What are people bidding in this auction with Kxx Kxxxx xxxx x? A mixed raise is not only way more likely on this auction, it is more useful.

[mike777]

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[ulven]

If 1NT is F/semiF then it's an obvious choice.

Really.

 

Otherwise 2H.

[1eyedjack]

I can't believe 3H as weak is standard. What are people bidding in this auction with Kxx Kxxxx xxxx x? A mixed raise is not only way more likely on this auction, it is more useful.

I would have a punt at 4H on this. If I am going to bid 3H with that hand, presumably I would also bid 3H with x, Kxxxx, Kxx, xxxx. Partner may well want to bid 4 opposite one but not the other. Just a stab in the dark.

[jtfanclub]

My partner tends to open 8 counts in 3rd seat so I am staying the heck away!

Uhhhh, your opponents have a combined 28 hcp, at least one (if not both) are short in your suit, and they're both passing?

 

Where can I find opponents like that?

[pbleighton]

I would have a punt at 4H on this. If I am going to bid 3H with that hand, presumably I would also bid 3H with x, Kxxxx, Kxx, xxxx. Partner may well want to bid 4 opposite one but not the other. Just a stab in the dark.

 

If pd has a hand which can make 4, he won't pass 2H.

 

I really don't understand bidding past 2H on this hand.

 

Peter

[1eyedjack]

I would have a punt at 4H on this. If I am going to bid 3H with that hand, presumably I would also bid 3H with x, Kxxxx, Kxx, xxxx. Partner may well want to bid 4 opposite one but not the other. Just a stab in the dark.

 

If pd has a hand which can make 4, he won't pass 2H.

 

I really don't understand bidding past 2H on this hand.

 

Peter

If partner has a hand on which he cannot make 4, there is an excellent chance that we are still beating par by being in it. That said, if partner had a perfect minimum: Axx, Axxxx, Qxxx, x then we should romp home on a 2-1 break, and I would not expect him to move over a 2H raise. Not that we should be catering for perfect hands opposite, but hey, that is just one.