bid_em_up Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 [hv=s=sj9732h5dakqj104c4]133|100|All WhiteEast (partner) deals and opens 1♣. Opps silent. 1♣-1♦-1♥-? [/hv] I'll assume you agree with the bidding so far, but if you don't, deal with it. :angry: I kibbed this hand the other night. I'll reveal the results later. (And why don't the suit symbols work in a poll?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I bid 2S, GF 6-5, The spade suit is bad enough so that 1S is reasonable. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I bid 2S, GF 6-5, The spade suit is bad enough so that 1S is reasonable. PeterAll well and good if you play it, but that seems like a special agreement. In the US anyway, I am confident this following is standard undiscussed for experts, as well as being BWS 1♠ = 4+ spades, forcing 1 round, any strength.2♠ = Artificial game forcing, denies 4 spades (that part is only implied in BWS though not explicitely stated.) The followup to the 1♠ bid, though I haven't often heard it discussed, I understand to be if responder rebids 2♠ that is game invitational, 3♠ game forcing, both showing 5-6. If responder is weak 5-6 he either responds 1♠ to begin with or is stuck never showing his spade length. In any case that means this hand is certainly a 1♠ bid now, and if partner bids 1NT or 2♣ next you choose between 2♠, 3♠, or maybe 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I start with 1S and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asc Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 1♠ and if P say NT-3NT sounds good for me (I have 6 tricks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 1♠ ---- 4+♠ and forcing one round. 2♠ would have been GF denying 4♠, usually with bal with 5♦ or with ♣ fit or good long diamonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Hi, as alsways is depends on your agreements.I would bid 1S, which for me shows 4+ spades,2S being FSF. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Depends on the agreements... 1♠ or 2♠, whatever shows ♠ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted August 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Ok, now for the "amazing" part. At least, it amazes (or baffles) me. Make sure you have a barf bag handy. At the table, this hand rebid 3N (which I think is a terrible call). It goes pass pass, and RHO hold AKQJ10x of clubs did not double. If he did, do you think X here should call for a club lead? or a spade? At many tables in this tournament, this hand did bid 1S, and the auction proceeded. 1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠1NT-3N!!!!-p-p-? Not 2S, not 3S, but 3N!!! Amazing!!! And RHO Doubled!! (amazing, since he is now on lead with 6 cashing tricks, and should not want opponents to run.) In 3 of these cases, one of the two hands actually XX'd!! And then, the other hand sat for it!!! Partners hand:[hv=s=sak10hakxxdxxc98xx]133|100|[/hv] The spade Qxx is in the slot if needed. All in all, some pretty amazing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Looks like normal club bidding to me, partner has clubs and hearts, I have diamonds and spades, so we play 3N. (Often this logic applies even with a combined holding of 20-21 hcp.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Yes, I think the proper word is "bad", not "amazing". I would make the forcing spade call, whichever that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I don't see much wrong with the 3NT bid. Wouldn't make me disagree with partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I don't see much wrong with the 3NT bid. Wouldn't make me disagree with partner. I agree, 3N could easily be a better spot than 4S even if we had a 5-3 spade fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I think 3nt is sick... Its possible that 3nt is the best contract but its also possible that 4♠ or 5♦ or a slam is there and a 3nt bid make no moves for finding them. Partner could easily have a 3415 shapes with some extras by keeping the bidding open you are freerolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I think 3nt is sick... Its possible that 3nt is the best contract but its also possible that 4♠ or 5♦ or a slam is there and a 3nt bid make no moves for finding them. Partner could easily have a 3415 shapes with some extras by keeping the bidding open you are freerolling. Are you assuming that if partner bids 3NT you are never allowed to move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Maybe i misread the auction I saw 1♣-------1♦1♥-------1♠1nt-------3nt 3nt is signoff Even if 1♠ is 100% GF i still think openener is limited to 15 pts for his 1nt rebid. If 1♠ is Art GF and 1nt only show a ♠ stopper but could be any strenght then partner can bid over 3nt. Otherwise he cannot. Plus if 1♠ is art GF then 3nt is one of the worst bid i can imagine since you you can bid an easy 2♦ or 2♠ to further describe your shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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