uday Posted October 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Won't work on iphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 My comments: I prefer to have the auction in the middle of the table rather than in the corner. My eyes naturally look to the area in front of the player for their bid to appear. When you look explantions of bids, !C, !D, etc isn't being converted to ♣, ♦, etc. I found the "movie" (I forgot what it's called now) a bit difficult to use and would really like to be able to bring up a score sheet and quickly look at what the other table did in much the same way as the current windows client. Perhaps it just takes some geting used to. Question: With the auto-resizing, could we far away from getting BBOTV to work on a large screen internet and java enabled mobile phone/PDA? About the auction in the middle of the table, I am not sure if you are using hand diagram mode or pictures of cards. If pictures of cards you might want to try a new experimental viewing mode. Right click on the table and select "Show EW in four rows" in the menu that appears in order to enter that mode. If you are talking about hand diagram, I have tried putting the auction in the middle of the table, but it looked weird to me. You will be able to see suit symbols in bid explanations in the next version. The "my results" window definitely needs work. It will happen. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 BBOTV uses Flash, not Java. I don't think most Internet-enabled cellphones support this. Has anyone tried it on an iPhone yet? Sorry I meant to say Flash. My son has a Sony Play Station Portable running s/ware version 3.71 which I understand includes a Flash player. The screen is more than big enough to handly BBOTV. It's school holidays at the moment so I've left him with a project to get Flash working on his PSP before I get home from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdct Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 About the auction in the middle of the table, I am not sure if you are using hand diagram mode or pictures of cards. If pictures of cards you might want to try a new experimental viewing mode. Right click on the table and select "Show EW in four rows" in the menu that appears in order to enter that mode. If you are talking about hand diagram, I have tried putting the auction in the middle of the table, but it looked weird to me. My personal preference is pictures of cards. I've just tried the new experimental "in four rows" view of EW's cards and it put the auction in the middle of the table where I like it, but I think it's going to take some getting used to having the EW hands layed out differently to the NS hands. My preference would be to have all of the hands layed out the same way but with the auction in the middle - but perhaps only achievably when using "small" cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 A couple comments on BBOTV: (1) Last night one of the commentators for vugraph posted an html link. This link was nicely underlined and appeared in blue. I clicked on the link, saw the other web page, etc. The problem is, when I went back to the BBOTV window all chat was now underlined. (2) On the BBO windows version, you can use the abbreviations for suits (!s, !h, etc) in both chat and in your alerts/explanations. On BBOTV, it works fine in chat but not in the alert/explanations. (3) It's mildly annoying that the -->Table part of the chat is in the same color as the chat. This makes it look as though people are saying "Table" all the time when they're not. Might be more convenient if the chat target was the same color as the person talking instead of what they said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 (1) Last night one of the commentators for vugraph posted an html link. This link was nicely underlined and appeared in blue. I clicked on the link, saw the other web page, etc. The problem is, when I went back to the BBOTV window all chat was now underlined. If someone sees that happen again, please make a post containing the link that caused the problem. The other 2 issues you raised will be addressed (and I would like to address this one too, but I don't understand how it happened - hopefully I can replicate the condition if I have the link). Thanks, Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradd Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) *Edited* Fred posted before me. This happened to me with two different links - will try and report the link next time it happens. Edited October 4, 2007 by bradd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Same problem for me, only giving the BBOTV link to a friend :)! The problem is, this doesnt happen every time; sometimes only the names get blue from the third letter and the first two letters of the new message (of all messages) are blue; rest is normal. Uli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frouu Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 (1) Last night one of the commentators for vugraph posted an html link. This link was nicely underlined and appeared in blue. I clicked on the link, saw the other web page, etc. The problem is, when I went back to the BBOTV window all chat was now underlined. If someone sees that happen again, please make a post containing the link that caused the problem.I'm using firefox. I tried to replicate the bug by sending a link by a private message. It happens when you right click the link & open in new window AND someone sends another message before you reply.It seems to happen with any link.(i tried www.google.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I can make 'notes' on my own profile. Not sure what to use this function for yet. Reminders?stop playing bridge and eatstop watching bridge and sleepstop reading forums and do laundry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 (1) Last night one of the commentators for vugraph posted an html link. This link was nicely underlined and appeared in blue. I clicked on the link, saw the other web page, etc. The problem is, when I went back to the BBOTV window all chat was now underlined. If someone sees that happen again, please make a post containing the link that caused the problem.I'm using firefox. I tried to replicate the bug by sending a link by a private message. It happens when you right click the link & open in new window AND someone sends another message before you reply.It seems to happen with any link.(i tried www.google.com) Burak It happened to me as well. It was during the USA 1 vs Italy match, unfortunately I've lost the details of the link... it was posted by one of the commentators on board 31 (NS Fantoni/Nunes), just before they said Walddk2: That's enormousjtr: Declarer should have more trumps than the defence (this may help if someone has a log file, but because I was logged on anonymously on BBOTV I don't think I have one) I'm using IE 7, and clicking didn't actually open the link, but gave the 'Pop-up blocked' message. I then selected 'allow pop-ups' which disconnected me from BBO, so I couldn't scroll back and find the linke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwingo Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I use Opera. It seems to be happenning with any hyper link. Once you clcik on a hyper link in the chat message, from then on all chat messages become underlined and become hyper links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 It seems BBOTV does not know chinese characters yet, so all the commentators' chinese words are displayed as random codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 It seems BBOTV does not know chinese characters yet, so all the commentators' chinese words are displayed as random codes. BBOTV will actually be great in this regard as it will allow text from several languages with different character sets to a co-exist in chat. Conversely, the Windows BBO client allows text from only 1 character set to be displayed at any given time. This would actually work perfectly already if all of the people involved in sending/receiving chat were using BBOTV (as opposed to the Windows client). But if a chat message is sent on one version and received in the other version, it will need to be converted before it appears properly on the screen. And this conversion utility has not been written yet. It is on our list of things to do. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I figured out the problem with the links. Thanks to everyone who posted about this issue in an effort to help me track this down. Turns out that the browser matters. It was trivial for me to replicate this condition once I tried to do so using Firefox (instead of my usual Internet Explorer). There probably won't be a new version of BBOTV (the name I am now using for the vugraph-only program) until after the end of the World Championships. The program that now is nameless (the one that allows you to do more than just watch vugraph) is moving along nicely, but our goals before the next release are ambitious. Most likely it will be at least another couple of weeks before you see any announcements on this front. Plesae keep those comments, suggestions, and bug reports coming. The feedback in this thread has been very helpful. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 In a CHinese vugraph room:eciBlue→Table: 17-19ÊDzÃÅпØÖƵĽá¹�ͷ£·ÖÎØÂCCBA→Table: 17-19ÊÇÊַ¢ÅÆeciBlue→Table: ic eciBlue was still entirely in boldface, buyt from then on, the first letter was not. Instead the arrows became boldfaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 While watching vugraph in my firefox (ubuntu), the connection was lost when I opened the "South African Typhoon" video in another tab. I closed the video and logged in again, but then I just saw one card played and then lost connection again. Closed firefox and restarted firefox, then it's back to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Color blindness whining!The red used for ♦ and ♥ is giving me trouble. I can see them fine in the card diagrams (and the darker red used on card images is fine). In the bidding box and in the final contract box they give me trouble (background color). In the box at lower left, the "other room contract" is unreadable if it contains red symbols (this at the largest size table I could get - much worse when smaller).Perhaps there is some option to modify colors that I have not found. White backgrounds or a darker red would do the job for me. I know that I am not the only one with R/G colorblindness issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hi Fred (and Uday), thanks very much for finally providing a non-Windows method to access BBO. Now if only I could sit down at a table... Anyway, it works fine for me with Opera/Linux and Firefox/Mac, but on Opera/Mac I can't type anything. <_< Incidentally, on another (non-bridge) site, the admins (i.e. "yellows" on BBO) have access to the programmer's bugzilla - which I've found very helpful. Since you are letting us do such early beta tests, you might want to consider setting up something like that and giving select people access to it. Just a suggestion. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 29, 2007 Report Share Posted October 29, 2007 Hi Fred (and Uday), thanks very much for finally providing a non-Windows method to access BBO. Now if only I could sit down at a table... Anyway, it works fine for me with Opera/Linux and Firefox/Mac, but on Opera/Mac I can't type anything. :) Incidentally, on another (non-bridge) site, the admins (i.e. "yellows" on BBO) have access to the programmer's bugzilla - which I've found very helpful. Since you are letting us do such early beta tests, you might want to consider setting up something like that and giving select people access to it. Just a suggestion. :) We are hoping to announce a new version with lots of new functions in Forums within the next week or 2. The new version will offer full tournament and convention card support (including some nice convention card-related functions that are not currently available on BBO). The new version will solve at least one of your problems - it lets you sit at a table :) I am not sure why you are having keyboard problems on Opera/Mac. This is the first such report I have heard of this. If the problem doesn't go away when you try the next version let me know and I will investigate further. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassaidai Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 We are hoping to announce a new version with lots of new functions GIB will be there ? Kindest regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 You will be able to play Money Bridge Tournaments and Robot Race Tournaments (all tables consist of a human and 3 GIBs in these tournaments). If you want to play against GIB(s) at a Main Bridge Club table, a GIB-subscriber using the Windows version of BBO will have to be the host. Not clear when it will be possible to do this with the Flash BBO - it is complicated. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I tried bbotv version 3 tonight from my mother's mac. A message from the BIL opened up and it was so long that it went off the screen at the bottom and there was no way I could close it, nor get past it to do anything else of usefulness. When I logged off and back on, the message reappeared. Can we have either a scroll bar or a way to close the message maybe from the top of the window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 I tried bbotv version 3 tonight from my mother's mac. A message from the BIL opened up and it was so long that it went off the screen at the bottom and there was no way I could close it, nor get past it to do anything else of usefulness. When I logged off and back on, the message reappeared. Can we have either a scroll bar or a way to close the message maybe from the top of the window? This is fixed in the next release (tentatively scheduled for tomorrow). Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelkid Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 BBOTV is a welcome advance for me since I moved to a MAC some 6 month ago. Currently I can only play Bridge online by restarting my mac and running Windows under "bootcamp". Of course the other possibility is to use "Parallels" desktop but I would need to install that just to run BBO. Frankly I cannot be bothered so I hope a full version of BBO will be running in my browser window very soon. The BBOTV graphics are a move in the right direction. Indeed, I think that with some work on the user interface the Browser based BBO could be a massive improvement on the current clunky interface. The user interface could benefit hugely from usability improvements. I find many things quite counter intuitive. Dont get me wrong, I think BBO software is great and works very well. It is just the human interface that is in need of improvement. To make it feel like you are really playing brudge rather than a computer game. Tech alert In the future programs like BBO will run in a browser window, Safari, IE, Netscape, Opera or Firefox and it will run on any OS, Linux, OSX, Windows. In fact, who meeds an OS. All you need is a browser. What about an iPhone? With advances in software programming, such as javascript libraries (EXT-JS) including drag and drop there is no reason why BBO will not in the future only be supported in a browser window. This is certainly the way things are going at Google (GWT). I am assuming that the application is written in Java. If so then using GWT should enable BBO to run with very little work since GWT creates all the necessary javascript required for whichever browser. This should solve many browser interop problems. Presumably you have a load of hand coded Javascript under the hood somewhere? Keep up the good workBBO on my mac - COOL ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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