cherdano Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s874h98764d9caqjt]133|100|Scoring: IMPAfter 3 passes, the opponents scramble to 3N in a non-competitive auction:1S 2D 2H 3D 3N. (2D was natural by the passed hand, they are probably playing multi in case you care.)[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Queen of clubs. Short list of one for me, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Agree. Establish three tricks and hope that pard can contribute 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 A club is playing for declarer to not have the king (or leading the ace plays to find it stiff as well), nothing else. If partner has the two tricks you want then he will be able to lead clubs through the king twice for down 2. On the other hand, if partner is only getting in once, we have to lead anything but a club and hope the king is doubleton (or that declarer plays it from Kxx when partner does switch to a club).If declarer doesn't have the king he's got me, but since I'm never playing for that a club is the lead to most avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 9H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Attack the fluidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 This hand is from one of the Cayne matches and one of Fantunes (don't remember who) was on lead with this holding. He led his singleton diamond, maybe to attack communication? It did work very well, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 This hand is from one of the Cayne matches and one of Fantunes (don't remember who) was on lead with this holding. He led his singleton diamond, maybe to attack communication? It did work very well, anyway. Wow. I like singleton leads, but this one would never have occurred to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I would lead ♣A. I've seen many people bid 3NT with a stiff King (I've done it as well) and I suspect this is the situation. If dummy has the ♣K, well, I guess nothing much is lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 This hand is from one of the Cayne matches and one of Fantunes (don't remember who) was on lead with this holding. He led his singleton diamond, maybe to attack communication? It did work very well, anyway. I've looked the hand up, and it really doesn't matter what you lead. A ♣ makes the contract go -2 while anything else defeats it by 3 tricks... After the ♦ lead however, they still defeated it by only 2 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'd lead the heart 9, agree with jdonn's analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I completely disagree with jdonn's analysis. IMO the player on lead against 3NT needs to take advantage of the lead, and more especially at IMPs. I am not sitting on this club suit on the basis that partner will give me four club tricks. I think a singleton lead says I'm just messing around - just because someone is a great player doesn't mean they always do great things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'd lead the ♥8 - 2nd from a bad holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I completely disagree with jdonn's analysis.But since you don't say so, which part do you disagree with? Or more specifically, can you give either an exact layout or a general situation in which a club is the winning lead, other than when declarer does not have the king (in which case I fully admit, he got me)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 I completely disagree with jdonn's analysis.But since you don't say so, which part do you disagree with? Or more specifically, can you give either an exact layout or a general situation in which a club is the winning lead, other than when declarer does not have the king (in which case I fully admit, he got me)? I disagreed with the proposition that holding AQJT in a suit and leading against 3NT, it is a mistake to lead the suit because if partner can take two tricks, and lead the suit twice that will work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 ♦, declarer probably has Kx of clubs in which case there's no point in leading that suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markleon Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm leading a heart, whichever one I'm conventionally leading in this partnership. Again, assuming declarer has the ♣K, I'm having a hard time coming up with a layout where the club lead works where others don't. On the other hand, I can easily come up with a layout where a club lead presents declarer with the 9th trick that was not available any other way. Looking at it another way, if I lead a club, I still need partner to contribute two tricks to beat this. But, if partner can contribute two tricks, I can still get three clubs without giving a club trick to declarer. The club honor lead would be a lot more appealing if there were 5 clubs in this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 OK But you would regard something like: AKQxx, AKJ,x,K9xx as out of the question for declarer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 OK But you would regard something like: AKQxx, AKJ,x,K9xx as out of the question for declarer? Declarer opened 1♠ and rebid 2♥, and your example to justify your lead is a 20 count with three hearts, and even then I don't see how a club lead is setting him. Come on Halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 OK But you would regard something like: AKQxx, AKJ,x,K9xx as out of the question for declarer? Declarer opened 1♠ and rebid 2♥, and your example to justify your lead is a 20 count with three hearts, and even then I don't see how a club lead is setting him. Come on Halo. Well, I might bid 2H with that hand, and how weak do you think declarer is for his 3NT bid (if he is not just boringly going several off whatever we play.) But OK we make the hand: AKQxx, AKJx, x, K9x and not unreasonably give dummy the diamond KQ and a small doubleton spade. Do you not feel in danger after a heart lead jdonn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 I swear, every time I promise myself I will try to be nice when I post, then I have to put up with these arguments.... you win, I can not argue with your irrefutable logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 OK But you would regard something like: AKQxx, AKJ,x,K9xx as out of the question for declarer? Declarer opened 1♠ and rebid 2♥, and your example to justify your lead is a 20 count with three hearts, and even then I don't see how a club lead is setting him. Come on Halo. Well, I might bid 2H with that hand, and how weak do you think declarer is for his 3NT bid (if he is not just boringly going several off whatever we play.) But OK we make the hand: AKQxx, AKJx, x, K9x and not unreasonably give dummy the diamond KQ and a small doubleton spade. Do you not feel in danger after a heart lead jdonn? On that layout declarer has 5 ♠ tricks and the ♣K in the bag. After winning them he leads a ♦ towards dummy. Your partner can win the ace and let you have your 3 ♣ tricks. But you'll have to give declarer the last 3 ♥ tricks. (The clubs is blocked, you can't get back to partner and the 5th club.) If you're going to argue you'd better come up wiht counter examples where your lead works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Deleted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Deleted! Lol, I have no idea what this post said before, but seeing this made my day :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Deleted! Lol, I have no idea what this post said before, but seeing this made my day :) It was another hand where a heart lead takes the contract down, this time exactly as much as a club lead would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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