How do you bid these hands in SAYC?

[kgr]

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With a pick-up partner we bid:

1♥-2♣

2♠-3♦ (3♦ 4th suit forcing?)

3NT-4♦

5♦-6♣

6♦

[P_Marlowe]

#1 3D is FSF, i.e. 3NT promises a stopper,

and 7632 is not a stopper => 3H (default rebid)

#2 5D is a lazy bid, but I dont see a alternative,

so it may not be so lazy at all

#3 Reaching 7NT is hard

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

From north the 3NT bid makes no sense with xxxx of diamonds, south might pass with a singleton. From south I dislike the 4♦ bid, after north bids both majors I am playing clubs as south. So 4♣ over 3NT, and get the hand to play in clubs. Beyond those points I don't have strong opinions, it's a tough hand.

[kgr]

Thanks for the answers.

Given the strength of the ♣ suit it is probably right to bid 4♣ iso 4♦ over 3NT, but I thought that 4♦ (followed by 6♣ later) did show the distribution of my hand better.

 

Regards,

Koen

[Fluffy]

South should never ever mention ♦, even when partner has support he palys better in clubs. The given hand is perfect example.

 

1♥-2♣

2♠-3♣ showing that you wanna play in clubs.

3NT-4♣ showing you play in clubs whatever he's got.

 

 

Then north can cuebid and stuff.

 

Probably the bidding ends up in 7♣wich makes only on a non spade lead.

[markleon]

7♣ should make even on a spade lead if two rounds of spades and three rounds of hearts live. Then declarer just has to guess whether to cross to the ♦A or ruff a major (and whether to ruff high or low).

[pbleighton]

South should never ever mention D, even when partner has support he palys better in clubs. The given hand is perfect example.

 

1♥-2♣

2♠-3♣ showing that you wanna play in clubs.

3NT-4♣ showing you play in clubs whatever he's got.

 

 

Then north can cuebid and stuff.

 

Probably the bidding ends up in 7♣wich makes only on a non spade lead.

 

The problem with this auction is that 3C isn't necessaliry forcing in SAYC. The booklet is silent on it If you have the agreement that it's forcing (for example if you play1H-3C as invitational), then your auction is a good one.

 

Peter

[plaur]

South should never ever mention D, even when partner has support he palys better in clubs. The given hand is perfect example.

 

1♥-2♣

2♠-3♣ showing that you wanna play in clubs.

3NT-4♣ showing you play in clubs whatever he's got.

 

 

Then north can cuebid and stuff.

 

Probably the bidding ends up in 7♣wich makes only on a non spade lead.

 

The problem with this auction is that 3C isn't necessaliry forcing in SAYC. The booklet is silent on it If you have the agreement that it's forcing (for example if you play1H-3C as invitational), then your auction is a good one.

 

Peter

After a 2/1 and reverse by opener there is no doubt that we are in a gameforce.

1♠ - 2♣

2♥ - 3♣

however is non forcing in SAYC

[pbleighton]

After a 2/1 and reverse by opener there is no doubt that we are in a gameforce.

 

Not true, although I prefer to play it this way. SAYC' definition of a reverse only applies to one level responses:

"If bid at the 2 level over a 1 level response, it is a reverse"

2/1 auctions are badly defined, except that a 2/1 bid promises a rebid. Therefore 1H-2D-2S is forcing for one round, but not to game.

 

Peter

[plaur]

After a 2/1 and reverse by opener there is no doubt that we are in a gameforce.

 

Not true, although I prefer to play it this way. SAYC' definition of a reverse only applies to one level responses:

"If bid at the 2 level over a 1 level response, it is a reverse"

2/1 auctions are badly defined, except that a 2/1 bid promises a rebid. Therefore 1H-2D-2S is forcing for one round, but not to game.

 

Peter

I dont know the definition of a reverse in SAYC but

1♥ 2m

2♠

does show more than a minimum opener

[pbleighton]

I dont know the definition of a reverse in SAYC but

1♥ 2m

2♠

does show more than a minimum opener

 

It doesn't say so in the SAYC booklet.

 

Note: SAYC is not the same as Standard American.

 

Peter

[cherdano]

After a 2/1 and reverse by opener there is no doubt that we are in a gameforce.

 

Not true, although I prefer to play it this way. SAYC' definition of a reverse only applies to one level responses:

"If bid at the 2 level over a 1 level response, it is a reverse"

2/1 auctions are badly defined, except that a 2/1 bid promises a rebid. Therefore 1H-2D-2S is forcing for one round, but not to game.

 

Peter

I think you are wrong, Peter. Even if this were undefined in the SAYC booklet, then general bridge knowledge would tell you that this shows extras (in a system where 2♣ is not GF). E.g. SAYC does not define P (1D) 1H (P) 2D. By your logic, this could then show anything. I claim it shows a heart raise in SAYC, too...

 

Anyway, in "Responses and later bidding after a 1H or 1S opening", it clearly says that opener with a minimum hand may not bid a suit a the two level which is higher ranking than the opening suit. Are you looking at a different booklet than me? (http://www.d21acbl.com/References/Convention Chart/SAYC System Notes.pdf)

 

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