matmat Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=a&s=sktxxhajtxdaqcjtx]133|100|Scoring: Imps[/hv] your RHO opens 1♣. what is your choice of calls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Matt: Thou Shalt Not Lie - it's a sin. I would double, not bid 1NT to show the hcps. If partner bids diamonds, I can live with it. The hand has 4-4 in the majors and prime cards that are well placed. IMO, a 1NT overcall rates to make it harder to find a 4-4 major fit as well as implying at least one club stopper. :) DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 double wtp? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 prefer double by some distance both because of the added likelihood of a major suit contract when I hold both 4M (and at the relevant level it is going to be right more often than NT) and because after I double if they pre-empt in C, my partner will only introduce D with at least 5 (otherwise responsive double in my preferred style) - so I am protected to some degree. Also, the lack of a stopper when combined with bottom of range (albeit good intermediates) militates against NT. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 This looks like a very obvious X. You are 4-4 in the majors, have a hand that is not really good enough to overcall 1N, and have no stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Are there no pass cards in the bidding box? It should at least get consideration, shouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Actually, pass gets no consideration on these cards. But I would not be so quick to dismiss 1NT. In real life, I would double, but I would be prepared to apologize when we arrive in 3D on a 4-2 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Double is absolutely fine, the risk if any is negligible. Any other choice is seriously flawed. I do not consider it possible for us to get to a 4-2 diamond fit on the 3 level, nor would I apologize for making a completely normal bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Are there no pass cards in the bidding box? It should at least get consideration, shouldn't it? Of course not. If you have a chance to bid, you seize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 dbl wtp. Thou Shalt Not Lie - it's a sin. As a psychologists you should know better :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 1NT .A stopper is only as sure as it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Matt: Thou Shalt Not Lie - it's a sinEverything is fair in Love and War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Double. Second choice pass. I hate 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 matmat: it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape. Thus dbl is probably better than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 matmat: it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape. Thus dbl is probably better than anything else. Huh? Double lies about your shape. 1N lies about your stopper. So why do you say "it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape." and then recommend double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Dbl doesn't lie about the shape. In fact, it is more descriptive about it than 1NT, which is why it is my preferred bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Dbl doesn't lie about the shape. In fact, it is more descriptive about it than 1NT, which is why it is my preferred bid. Sure it does -- a takeout double shows at least 3-card support for all the unbid suits, not just the majors. It may be a small lie, but it is a lie none-the-less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 That's in your definition of take-out dbl. Mine is "emphasis on majors" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Great hand for a power double (sorry - shameless plug ;)) Playing standard methods, i suppose I'd overcall 1N but I don't like it one little bit. The slow diamond suit means we'll need 2nd spade stop to make 3N, and 1N is so wrong positionally. 2D may or may not get us to 3N from pard's side, and I would be very understanding if my pard made this well thought out call :P A takeout double accomplishes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Looks like a totally normal double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Great hand for a power double (sorry - shameless plug ;)) Playing standard methods, i suppose I'd overcall 1N but I don't like it one little bit. The slow diamond suit means we'll need 2nd spade stop to make 3N, and 1N is so wrong positionally. 2D may or may not get us to 3N from pard's side, and I would be very understanding if my pard made this well thought out call :P A takeout double accomplishes nothing. Good post, but wrong thread I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Obvious double to me, emphesis is on majors. If 1♦ buys the contract and least I have some extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Great hand for a power double (sorry - shameless plug ;)) Playing standard methods, i suppose I'd overcall 1N but I don't like it one little bit. The slow diamond suit means we'll need 2nd spade stop to make 3N, and 1N is so wrong positionally. 2D may or may not get us to 3N from pard's side, and I would be very understanding if my pard made this well thought out call :P A takeout double accomplishes nothing. Good post, but wrong thread I suppose... Blush. yeah I was responding to the 15 count with Axx of spades and QJ9xx of diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 X I can understand 1NT, but X it is,but pass is an option I may choose at the table. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Too bad Phil, that would have been the best post in the other thread, now it is lost forever :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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