cnszsun Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=e&s=sxxxhajxxxd109xxcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1♣)-Ps-(1NT)-Ps(Ps)-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 object strongly to not overcalling 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 object strongly to not overcalling 1H. I have made some really bad objections in my day, but this one takes the cake! You object to a pass with that crap at IMP's? IMO, the order of sanity: 1. Pass2. 2♥3. Psychic double4. Psychic 1NT5. Psychic 2♣ Michaels6. Blackwood 4NT7. Gerber and, roll the drums, 8. 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 object strongly to not overcalling 1H. I have made some really bad objections in my day, but this one takes the cake! You object to a pass with that crap at IMP's? IMO, the order of sanity: 1. Pass2. 2♥3. Psychic double4. Psychic 1NT5. Psychic 2♣ Michaels6. Blackwood 4NT7. Gerber and, roll the drums, 8. 1♥ I agree wholeheartedly but would like to switch 7. and 8. :) Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 object strongly to not overcalling 1H.My partner won't accept that 1♥ even if i'd like to bid it.Assuming you passed on first round, i'm sure you won't pass on 2nd chance, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 object strongly to not overcalling 1H. Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I am at fav vul with a good suit and a stiff and nothing in spades, why am I not overcalling 1H? If forced to pass, I now bid 2D"DONT" showing d and a higher suit but really prefer to just overcall 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I would over call 1 heart, in fact I do and I get lots of these from partners ????????????????????????/ LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Not my style to overcall 1H with this, but it seems to be more popular recently. 2N might be better. A chance to pass out 1N with 5 HCP? I think more likely opps missed something than we are missing something, but balance to protect partner is OK. So 2H is fine. Or 2N. My partnership does not play a DONT-like 2D in this position. Does anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Basically agree with Ken but if I'd have to psyche, I would choose 1♠ or 1N. A direct 2♥ is ok with me, at least if discussed with p. Btw, why didn't you put 2N on your list? Not that I would bid it. Now I bid 2♥. No, we don't play DONT for a number of reasons, one of them being that we need dbl for something else than a 1-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I might have overcalled 2H favourable, not 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 For those bidding 1♥: I assume that you would show great discipline and pass as advancer after 1♣-1♥-3♣ with something like ♠Axx ♥KQx ♦Axxx ♣Axx? Sure, 3♣ might go down, if hearts are 3-2. And, sure, 3♥ would be a good sacrifice when 3♣ does make, even doubled ties the thing, losing two spades and three diamonds when diamonds or hearts are 4-1, and 3♥ might even make! rotflol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 This thread should have been about balancing or not 1NT, not about overcalling 1♥. I won't balance, i have the obvious ♥ lead, and hope that even 2♥ makes, i can bring them down in 1NT. Reopening 2♥ with that poor suit can be risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 This hand is different than balancing in a 1N p p situation, because in this case opener is behind your partner who has the presumed strength of the partnership. After 1N p p, this hand is almost a required balance, but after 1C p 1N p p, it is a lot more risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I will balance with a double. If you overcall 1♥, then what can pard expect of your overcalls? How will pard distinguish between a 5 HCP hand and a 15 HCP hand? Might pard not make a penalty double, expecting you to have more? Or is the modern trend that a one level overcall is purely lead directional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 For those bidding 1♥: I assume that you would show great discipline and pass as advancer after 1♣-1♥-3♣ with something like ♠Axx ♥KQx ♦Axxx ♣Axx? No, why would we do that :D You pays your money and you takes your choice. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I have to admit that I pass both times. It is not my style to make a non jump O/C with only 5 hcp even if they are all in my 5 card suit. Call me old-fashioned :) . As for reopening the 2nd time, PD could have made a take out dbl of 1♣ after the opp 1NT but didn't. I'll pass, just incase 2Hx is getting killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted July 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I kibitzed a hand played by Fantoni on Spingold.He overcalled 1♥ after 1♣ opening by RHO with following one: [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sj9xha109xxxdxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I kibitzed a hand played by Fantoni on Spingold.He overcalled 1♥ after 1♣ opening by RHO with following one: [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sj9xha109xxxdxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] At least he has 6♥ and very serious and well practiced agreements with PD (I presume). I'd overcall a weak 2♥ but perhaps that means something else in their partnership, or perhaps he fears he may preempt PD out of ♠, although I suspect that if PD has enough to try for a ♠ game he can bid them over a weak 2♥. Also maybe he fears 2♥x getting killed even though it is red vs red. The wonderful thing about this game is that there are different strokes for different folks and at least here, if advancer gets a bit excited you have more offence with that 6th trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I am very confident fantoni would also have overcalled 1H with this hand too. I still think pass sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 At least put on some pressure and bid 2♥ immediately... 1♥ looks really sick, but depends on agreements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I would pass first time, second time I ahve my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I totally agree with the objection to not overcalling 1H. In the words of my Australian partner, "If my partner saw me pass this hand, she would introduce me to that famous Russian Bridge player Illa Kutschyanutzorv. By the way, his pd was former World Champ Nicola Smith nee Gardiner. She would ALWAYS overcall on hands like this. I would certainly NOT balance. Balancing is far more dangerous than overcalling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Well, I for one do draw a line for overcall/not and this hand is below it. I agree with pass 1st round. As for now, pard is very likely to have a balanced 11-15, so a 2♥ bid now seems quite safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 If AJxxx and AJxxxx, both "and out," are good for a 1♥ overcall, what the Heck is a 2♥ overcall showing (when preemptive)? Jxxxx(x) and out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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