Gerben42 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=s5ha83dkj764ct642]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 2♦* Pass ? * 9 - 12, 5+♦, unbalanced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 4D will probably cause the most problems. Over 5D they just need to double,most of the time there is no decision. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 As for me: 5♦ = 20% of the time4♦ = 50% of the time3N = 8% of the time2N = 17% of the time2♠ = 5% of the time (all numbers are approximate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 (all numbers are approximate) At least they add up to 100% :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 5D Soemtimes they can't double, sometimes we make when they double, sometimes 5D doubled going off is a good score. Good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 4D is enough. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Wow, I'm the only 3NT bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 (all numbers are approximate) At least they add up to 100% :) For me, this is a real achievementNew co-workers must be rubbing off on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 4D. The best combination of obstruction and safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 (all numbers are approximate) At least they add up to 100% :) For me, this is a real achievementNew co-workers must be rubbing off on me Yes, Richard is in the statistics business now. Good choice :D But if the number of times this sequence has come up happens to be a multiple of 100, your frequencies could be exact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Am I willing to let them play 4M? No. 5M? Yes. So I bid 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I would bid a simple 3♦. If p bids 3M, I'll go to 5♦ or 4♥. Bidding 4♦ doesn't make sense to me, 5♦ is the best alternative imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I like 4D I think, not that familiar with fantunes 2 bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I'll go with the middle of the road 4♦. It might be enough to buy the hand or it might push opps too high or in the wrong strain. I'll bid once more over 4♠ but defend 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Over 5D they just need to double,most of the time there is no decision. Yes, and how well will that work out for them when partner turns up with ♠xxxx ♥KQx ♦AQxxx ♣x? Underestimate the power of a massive trump fit at your own peril. Plunge 'em into darkness, I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Over 5D they just need to double,most of the time there is no decision. Yes, and how well will that work out for them when partner turns up with ♠xxxx ♥KQx ♦AQxxx ♣x? Underestimate the power of a massive trump fit at your own peril. Plunge 'em into darkness, I say. Bad luck. Sry, I did not mean to claim that 5D always leads to a good / bad score for the opponents.What I was trying to say is, that 5D is a guess, and it is usually better that the last guess is made by the opponents.5D is an all or nothing bid, it is either great or bad, thereis nothing in between. Besides the points are evenly devided, i.e. it is not even clear who owns the board."Plunge 'em into darkness" is certainly worth trying to do,but I wont hand them a cheap 300-500, when it is unclearthey can make anything. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 My preferred hand for partner was: xxx,KQx,Axxxxx,x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Doesn't prove anything but the hand was: [hv=n=s5ha83dkj764ct642&w=st98762ht65d32c83&e=saq43hkq974dcakq5&s=skjhj2daqt985cj97]399|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Hi Gerben, 4D will lead to 4S+1, 5D will lead to 5S=.In other words it does not matter, your bestbet is 4D followed by 5D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Gerben: What was the auction and result at the table? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 2♦-p-5♦-xp-5♠-p-? Isn't there a chance that E will be tempted to bid 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 The player in the North (me) seat took Free's suggestion and bid 3♦. 2♦ p 3♦ X4♦ 4♠ 5♦ 5♠P P P Made. Later I was kicking myself for not trying something more tricky, especially since partner had told me before the round that these were unfriendly opponents, which would greatly increase the satisfaction of a working tactical bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Later I was kicking myself for not trying something more tricky, especially since partner had told me before the round that these were unfriendly opponents, which would greatly increase the satisfaction of a working tactical bid... Not sure why everybody hates 3NT here as a tricky bid. If LHO X's, all sorts of good things can happen. They'll probably end up in hearts, not spades, for one thing. If LHO bids 4♠, was the 3NT real and the 4♠ a sacrifice, or the actual case? And really, what was the harm in 3NT instead of 4♦? Worst case, you have to pull, and your shenanigans are revealed. I had a partner once who always used to bid 3NT in these circumstances. It took me a while to get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Later I was kicking myself for not trying something more tricky, especially since partner had told me before the round that these were unfriendly opponents, which would greatly increase the satisfaction of a working tactical bid... Not sure why everybody hates 3NT here as a tricky bid. If LHO X's, all sorts of good things can happen. They'll probably end up in hearts, not spades, for one thing. If LHO bids 4♠, was the 3NT real and the 4♠ a sacrifice, or the actual case? And really, what was the harm in 3NT instead of 4♦? Worst case, you have to pull, and your shenanigans are revealed. I had a partner once who always used to bid 3NT in these circumstances. It took me a while to get used to it. Trouble is, in this day and age you're partner will have to alert and tell the opponents that 3NT can be a diamond raise. East can bid 4D instead of doubling etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Trouble is, in this day and age you're partner will have to alert and tell the opponents that 3NT can be a diamond raise. East can bid 4D instead of doubling etc... Yeah, it's true. 3NT is lower than 4♦, and maybe at the levels you guys play at it's just not worth the extra vagueness of 'who has the strong hand' in return for allowing them the extra space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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