kgr Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sakq42hq7dacj8765]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]East (RHO) deals and opens 1♣.1. playing SAYC with a pickup partner on BBO, what do you bid?2. Suppose that you agreed that DBL followed with bidding 1/2♠ shows 16/17+. Would you rather DBL or bid 1♠ with this hand? I mean: Is it more attractive to start with DBL then with 1♠ compared to a hand with eg ♦ and ♣ switched? What do/don't you like about this hand (I have no specific things in mind with this question, only wondering how to start evaluating a normal hand like this)? Thanks,Koen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I would bid 1S with this hand. Switch clubs and diamonds, and I double. Switch clubs and diamonds, make the diamonds stronger by an ace, and make the clubs a small stiff, and I bid 1S, then rebid diamonds aggressively. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Clear 1♠ IMO, not close to double.That goes even if you switch the minors, but I know many would double then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Close to an X playing in partnerships with a light X + suit, but still a 1♠ bid. While I do like that style, and I play it in some partnerships, it has to be a good 16. AKQxxxxxAQJxx Same count, but now I'll X-and-suit playing the light version. Playing the normal version, this isn't close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 pleaseeeeee don't X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 1s clear. Double would not even cross my mind as an option. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 i'd sooner contemplate 1NT on this hand than X. 1♠ is very clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 You could give me the ♥A instead of the ♥Q and I'd still bid 1♠. If you give me both the ♥A and Q, it's getting close to double then spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 1♠ is clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 #1 1S#2 1S, I am not in the upgrading / downgrading business, but there are certainly better 16/17+ hands out there If the minors are switched dbl gets more attractive, since you now have the chance to find a 2nd trump suit With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sj753hk643d965cq3&w=s986ha52dqt732c94&e=sthjt98dkj84cakt2&s=sakq42hq7dacj8765]399|300|Scoring: IMP(1c)-1S-All Pass[/hv]1♠+3Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Clearly he should raise ♠, but I wondered if my hand was maybe nice enough to start with a double.I would normally raise to 3♠ with a 4-card support, but partner's hand is too defensive which makes 2♠ the better bid?Bidding should go?:(1C)-1S-(P)-2S(p)-4S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sj753hk643d965cq3&w=s986ha52dqt732c94&e=sthjt98dkj84cakt2&s=sakq42hq7dacj8765]399|300|Scoring: IMP(1c)-1S-All Pass[/hv]1♠+3Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Clearly he should raise ♠, but I wondered if my hand was maybe nice enough to start with a double.I would normally raise to 3♠ with a 4-card support, but partner's hand is too defensive which makes 2♠ the better bid?Bidding should go?:(1C)-1S-(P)-2S(p)-4S The simple raise is enough.Move the Queen of clubs to diamonds and wemay start talking about 3S, although giventhe vulnerability, 2S is still enough. The single raise has the widest band width, thatswhy people use some artifical bids to differentiate,but I would not bother until one has fixed more urgent holes.Over 2S, I would as South maybe only invite, giventhe wide range of the raise, and if I invite, expect that North passes. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 After 1♠ raised to 2♠ by partner I'd just bid game.But if I decided to invite, I think advancer has an automatic accept. He's close to minimum, but the 4th trump is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Anyone who sits there and passes with 4 card support is not someone whom I would want to take bidding advice from. You are in much better position with an overcall then double rather than a double then having to bid a suit in some uncomfortable situations; a reasonable possibility being partner jumping in your short suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Partner said I should have doubled iso bidding 1♠. Anyone who sits there and passes with 4 card support is not someone whom I would want to take bidding advice from. You are in much better position with an overcall then double rather than a double then having to bid a suit in some uncomfortable situations; a reasonable possibility being partner jumping in your short suits. Agreed !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 You could give me the ♥A instead of the ♥Q and I'd still bid 1♠. If you give me both the ♥A and Q, it's getting close to double then spades. Well be fair. If the hearts were AQ it's a pretty obvious double to me, 1♠ would just be begging to miss a game. I don't even think double is awful if the hearts were Ax but most of my friends would disagree, and in any case I would still consider it inferior to an overcall. On the actual hand double sux and would never cross the mind of any good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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