Quantumcat Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=satxxxxhxdaxckqjx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Bidding goes: 1♠ 2♥ 3♥ 4♥4♠ 5♥ ??? Is it possible to find out whether partner has what's required for small/grand slam? If they were bidding clubs (and my hand was a little different obviously) I could bid 5♦, but I'm not really sure what now. Our agreements were that 3♥ could mean anything from invitational upwards, and 4♥ would specifically show a void. The opponent who bid 2♥ overcalled at the two level twice in previous boards with a good suit and 8 and 10 HCP respectively. I'm a beginner so keep that in mind if you feel like giving me advice :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 3♥ shows invitation or better hand (with support I guess?). This makes the auction forcing to the 5-level when unfavorable (which is the case). Since I'm interested in more, I would pass, and bid 5♠ when partner Doubles. This shows slam interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWM Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 how can 3♥ force to the 5 level when it is only invitational + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 When I was writing the poll answers, I thought how nice it would be if we had the agreement that 6♣ asks for a stop, then North could bid 6♦ to say yep, do you have the diamond? 6♥, yup, need some help for hearts too and still interested. 6♠, No sorry, 7♠, Yep it's a void and I have good spades, 6NT, yep heart ace & some diamond stuff, good spades how are your clubs? Does this make any sense as an agreement and if so when would you know when it doesn't show, it asks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 how can 3♥ force to the 5 level when it is only invitational + My thought exactly. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Now, 6D This is a perfect hand for keycard blackwood or even regular blackwood. With an 11-card fit, if opener has the 2 missing aces, we can count 13 tricks. (Either opener has the ♠K or 1-1 break) I bid 4N initially. Since we did not do that, we need cooperation from partner. We bid 6D, denying the ♣A and showing the ♦A and obviously looking for grand. If opener does not have the ♣A or has the ♣A but not the ♥A, opener will sign off in 6S. If opener has both, then opener will bid 6H and we can bid 7S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 When I was writing the poll answers, I thought how nice it would be if we had the agreement that 6♣ asks for a stop, then North could bid 6♦ to say yep, do you have the diamond? 6♥, yup, need some help for hearts too and still interested. 6♠, No sorry, 7♠, Yep it's a void and I have good spades, 6NT, yep heart ace & some diamond stuff, good spades how are your clubs? Does this make any sense as an agreement and if so when would you know when it doesn't show, it asks? While this may "sound" good in theory, in real life, it will never work as opps are probably going to stick in a 6H bid. Just bid 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 When I was writing the poll answers, I thought how nice it would be if we had the agreement that 6♣ asks for a stop, then North could bid 6♦ to say yep, do you have the diamond? 6♥, yup, need some help for hearts too and still interested. 6♠, No sorry, 7♠, Yep it's a void and I have good spades, 6NT, yep heart ace & some diamond stuff, good spades how are your clubs? Does this make any sense as an agreement and if so when would you know when it doesn't show, it asks? I think I would have the same auction, but with different meanings. 6♣ would be a cuebid, obviously seeking the grand. I want partner to have the club Ace, diamond King, spade King, and heart Ace. If he has all four, we will get there. If he lacks the heart Ace, we won't. A likely auction will be a 6♦ cue by him, 6♥ LTTC by me, and either a signoff (no heart Ace) or acceptance (heart Ace). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 6S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Close between 6♠ and 6♦. I think I'd go with 6♦. While in lower-level slam exploration, I endorse bidding cheaper cues rather than strictly 1st round v 2nd round, that is based on the idea of conserving space, where we will have room for several rounds of cue bids and maybe even keycard at some point. Here, 6♦ is to be preferred over 6♣ because you should NOT be bidding 2nd round controls as your first cuebid in a 6-level probe for 7. To suggest that partner needs the ♣A to cue 6♦ is wrong...just as it is wrong to think that he will cue a diamond control lacking the A.... the partnership lacks the bidding space to distinguish 1st from 2nd. While the actual hand makes it clear that a 6♦ cue from partner would be 2nd round control, basing the meaning of bids on the cards you actually hold is weak. Consider Axxxx A xx AKxxx opposite KQJxxx x AKxx xx. How should these hands bid? Wouldn't we have the auction the 6♣ cue bidders are suggesting? So when partner is looking at his hand over 6♣ do we really want him cuing 6♦ on KQJxxx x KQJxx x?.... This is just a quick example of why you need to be cuing 1st round controls, so please don't quibble with the exact hands.... .if you disagree with me (Ken?), please argue from principle rather than poking a hole in a specific example :) 6♦, otoh, is pretty clear: 1st round control, no first round control in clubs, but interest in grand slam if opener controls the rounded suits. That looks like a good working description. However, it is possible to construct hands on which he accepts and we have virtually no play... so it is entirely possible that the pragmatic 6♠ will be the winning call.....not to mention that the odds that they can cash a heart must approach 95% on this auction, so looking for grand may be chasing moonbeams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 It's rather obvious to get to slam now. So it's a question of signing off in 6♠ or probing for the grand. What do we need for a grand?KQxxxx v K?? A??KQxxxx A? K? A?KQxxxx v xx Axxxx I'll go for 6♦. Partner will surely accept with the first two hands, but not with any of those lacking the ♦K (I think).With the latter he might accept, I'm not confident about that. Maybe he won't.But anyway, 6♦ at least get us to a grand on some of the hands we'll make it, and none where we won't, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralph23 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 ♣♦♥♠ 6♠ is a very practical bid. However, what do we do if the opponents now sacrifice in 7♥? (Am I the only one that this happens to?? :lol: ) After all, we are red and they are white. I want my partner to know that I have a helluva hand. He might have weird distribution too... 6 spades and be void in ♥. He doesn't know how strong I am. As between 6♣ and 6♦, our standard agreement is Italian-style i.e. show either a first or second round control by your cuebid (per Ken's post). We've not discussed changing that at higher levels and I don't know what is right, but with our current agreements, I'd be virtually forced to bid 6♣ with the given hand. They'll still butt in with 6 or 7♥ so this may all be futile but maybe pard is void in ♥, has the ♣ Ace doubleton or some other combination. I've got to do my part even though our science may be pre-empted away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Depends on who bids 7H. If LHO, if partner has a void he can make a forcing pass. If RHO I double straight off (to deny having 1st round heart control) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 3♥ shows invitation or better hand (with support I guess?). This makes the auction forcing to the 5-level when unfavorable (which is the case). Since I'm interested in more, I would pass, and bid 5♠ when partner Doubles. This shows slam interest. I wouldn't play the 3♥ bid creates a forcing pass for us at any level, at any vul. 6♦ now seems fine to me. I think we will still miss most of our grands, but it might let us bid some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 The original 3H bid turned this auction into a guessing game. I bid 6S now. I would have bid 4NT over 2H. If my RHO bids 7H I double since I do not have first round heart control. If my LHO bids 7H and my partner doubles, we play 7Hx. If my LHO bids 7H and my partner passes (first round heart control) I bid 7S. The odds of my partner having the CA are good enough to justify this action. By the way, partner is not obligated to pass 7H if he believes that we cannot make 7S due solely to his having a heart control. For example, if he has KQJxxx A KQx xxx he might double 7H figuring that I probably do not have all of the missing aces. I hate bidding grand slams on guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 :D 6♠ is about all you can do now. 6♦ is an interesting bid, but I wouldn't do it because it will put too much pressure on partner who (aside from the ♥ ace which he can show by bidding 6♥) won't know what is needed for seven. I don't want to waste his energy stewing over an impossibly ambiguous question. I think you missed a good bid on the previous round of bidding - try 4NT. You do not have two quick losers in any suit. If you play RKC, as most do nowdays, the answer will tell you all you need to know. When partner shows two controls, you bid six, when he shows three, you find out about kings. You have no worries about the trump queen since you have 11+ spades. Either red king is the thirteenth trick. This is a hand where you are in the catbird's seat and must take control of the auction ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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