sceptic Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 How if at all does making a take out double differ if opps open a short club, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Not much. When they bid 1♣, you should initially assume it's a real suit, and bid accordingly. There are only a small number of hand patterns that require opening a short club: 4=4=3=2 (outside their NT range) and 4=4=4=1, and the latter only if they have a conventional 1♦. So most of the time their 1♣ will look similar to standard 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Since the main objective of making the takeout double is to try to find a major suit fit with your partner, opponents use of a short club should not deter you from telling partner about your holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Over a real suit, the t/o X will show 3 cards in each unbid suit. Over the short ♣ or the 2+ ♦ (usually described as "natural or x-y balanced"), it makes sense to describe X as "3.5 cards in each major and almost unknown # (say 2+) of cards in the other minor". So you should respond in a major as often as possible, preferring this to om even with 3-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Not much. When they bid 1♣, you should initially assume it's a real suit, and bid accordingly. There are only a small number of hand patterns that require opening a short club: 4=4=3=2 (outside their NT range) and 4=4=4=1, and the latter only if they have a conventional 1♦. So most of the time their 1♣ will look similar to standard 1♣. Not all short clubs are made the same. I play one system where 1♣ is natural clubs, a weak NT, or a big NT (17-19 bal). Then 1♦ is natural and unbal. I have seen several different reasonable methods here. The main thing is to have an agreement with your partner. Here are some possible methods: Option 1 - Just treat the short minor as natural.Dbl = takeout1NT = strong NT with stopper2♣ = michaelsovercalls naturalWith long clubs, just pass and take action later. Option 2 - multi-way dbl, 1NT for takeoutDbl = clubs or a big hand (2♣ asks)2♣ = michael's1NT = weak takeout (~11-14)overcalls natural Option 3 - canape overcallsDbl = takeout1♦/♥/♠/2♣ = 3+ cards, 2nd longest suit1NT = strong NT with stopper Option 4 - if you play a strong club, continue to play it!Dbl = strong clubothers as if RHO passed I know of a good pair that was successful in playing option 4, although it's not my cup of tea. Again, the main thing is to decided on an option, then discuss all of the follow ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 I don't see any difference between doubling a 3+ and a 2+ ♣ bid. Such precision in competitive bidding is unattainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 In a regular partnership it is worth considering playing 2♣ as natural and using 2♦ as Michaels. Like Matt I know a good pair who play the following against short clubs, including Polish: Dbl=I'd have opened 1♣ (so we now treat LHO's bid as interference)1♦=5+ spades1♥=natural1♠=weak t/o of 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Depending on how likely 1♣ is to be a 3-card or less, you may agree to play 2♣ as natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Depending on how likely 1♣ is to be a 3-card or less, you may agree to play 2♣ as natural. That's what I do with my regular partner, even if 1♣ promises 4+.1NT=natural (15-18)2♣=natural2♦=wjo in one major2M=weak/strong Michaels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 How if at all does making a take out double differ if opps open a short club, zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 In the world junior pairs in Slovakia last summer, I played strong club defence against 2+ 1C openings. Had one or two poor results when they had a weak NT and it was our hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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