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mr1303

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IMPs, Game all

 

♠ AJ107543

♥ KQ

♦ K

♣ KQ9

 

Opponents silent, you deal and open 1♠. Partner responds 2♣. Your go

 

Several choices here, either rebidding 2 spades planning on catching up later, trying 3 spades which lies slightly about the suit quality (BBO advanced defines this as a solid suit), or raising partner's clubs.

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I'll take it slow with 2. I want to hear more about what partner has to say. If I had to guess now, we are going to be playing in spades, but with KQx of partner's suit, I'm not going to object playing there either.

 

To me 3 sets the suit, so I'm not going to jump the gun on that.

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Four notrump. This is a problem of what information we need, and how easily we can get it. Can we find out if partner has a singleton spade? Not through any mechanism I know of. I don't see what 4NT could be here other than key-card Blackwood for clubs. We'll be well on our way to placing the contract once we know how many aces partner holds. I don't usually play 1430, but it will come to our rescue here. If partner bids 5 (one), we can leave him there, and at IMPs we don't have to be concerned about coming to rest in our lower-scoring club fit. If partner bids 5 (two), slam is a heavy favorite opposite a singleton spade or the K, or on a finesse opposite Qx. Over 5 (virtually certainly three), I'll go on with 5NT to ask for kings, giving up on the magic grand when partner holds x Axxx AQx AJ10xx.
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Why bother to play some version of 2/1 and jump around on this type of hand full of holes.

Because this isn't 2/1, or at least, if it has been defined as 2/1 I missed it.

 

I can probably show a 6 card suit later, but 7?

I can't speak for Mr1303's BPO poll, but BPO polls were designed to use BBO Advanced (a 2/1 system) so that users could become use to it. And since we are BBO, using BBO instead of say, Bridge World Standard, made more sense. I suspect most regulars will assume BBO advanced unless the original question specifically stated something else.

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Why bother to play some version of 2/1 and jump around on this type of hand full of holes.

Because this isn't 2/1, or at least, if it has been defined as 2/1 I missed it.

 

I can probably show a 6 card suit later, but 7?

For starters you could bid 2S, 3S and 4S

which shows a 7 carder.

 

The question is, do you think the suit good

enough to set the suit as trumps, if you do

bid 3S else bid 2S, which may not even promise

a 6 carder, because it is the catch all bid,

or do you prefer showing the club support.

 

For whats it worth I would go with 2S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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I can't speak for Mr1303's BPO poll, but BPO polls were designed to use BBO Advanced (a 2/1 system) so that users could become use to it. And since we are BBO, using BBO instead of say, Bridge World Standard, made more sense. I suspect most regulars will assume BBO advanced unless the original question specifically stated something else.

I did not realize

Advanced used two over one

Change me to Two Spades

 

Sorry!

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2: in BBO std or NA std, this cannot be passed. This is a non-problem in BBO std, since the suit is not good enough for 3, and 3 shows a different hand... a hand that doesn't hold a 7 card suit!
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Well, with this hand, I felt a lot stronger about the correct rebid on this hand being 2S. For one thing, getting back to clubs after a 3S rebid may well be impossible, since a 3S rebid (showing at most a 1 loser suit opposite a stiff) invariably sets trumps, and as a result later club bids will sound like cue bids as opposed to strong support which we have.

 

Equally, letting partner know about a 7 card spade suit may well be difficult if we choose to raise clubs at this point, and as a result if we later pull a 2 or 3NT bid to clubs we'll show this sort of support and strong values, a better description of the hand.

 

Since it seems likely that we are going to force to slam on these cards unless we're off 2 aces, the issue of 2 possible trump losers opposite a singleton spade made me upgrade the club raise over the 3S call.

 

As a result:

 

2S = 100

3C = 50

3S = 30

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Hmmm. I may have been the lone vote for 4NT on this problem, but zero? Whenever partner has at least 5 clubs, it gets us to the right spot a lot of the time....
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I forwarded this problem to Mark, and I agree that 2 is superior when 2 is game forcing.

 

What I did not tell Mark, however, is that I found the hands in an old issue of a British magazine. Yes, Acol was the system (as it still is for the vast majority in that part of the world), and now you are well and truly stuck.

 

I guess you must rebid 3 to show this powerhouse and create a game force, and now you can most likely wave goodbye to the laydown 7.

 

8

A96

AQ64

AJ1083

 

 

AJ107543

KQ

K

KQ9

 

They still teach newbies Acol in Britain. Hopeless, really. This is just one example. Users who are frequent visitors in the vugraph theatre know how much I dislike the system, but more importantly, top class English players like Tom Townsend, Peter Crouch and Geoffrey Wolfarth are in the same camp.

 

Roland

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2: in BBO std or NA std, this cannot be passed.

That's not the issue.

 

The problem is after

 

1 2

2 2NT

 

Both 3 and 3 are non-forcing, at least the way I'm used to playing it. So if 2 is not forcing to game, you can find yourself well and truly hosed later, and it's virtually impossible to show a 7 card suit.

 

If 2 is forcing to game, this is a non-problem, particularly since 2 can be a made-up bid with just 3 cards in the suit.

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And to think when I first learnt bridge I was taught Acol.

 

For the record, I don't have any old issues of English bridge, and have never seen the hand before.

 

I think it does make the very clear point that you do need the ability to make forcing bids at a low level to give yourself the bidding room to explore all possible contracts

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