the hog Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You hold J10xxx Kx xx Kxxx The bidding: 1D (1S) P (P)X (P) Do you agree with the first pass?What do you do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Depends a little on form of scoring. At MP with opponents vulnerable it's very tempting to pass the double. At other situations I would probably have bid 1NT at first opportunity, and would certainly bid 1NT now having passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 1NT the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Do you agree with the first pass?What do you do now? Yes. 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 You hold J10xxx Kx xx Kxxx The bidding: 1D (1S) P (P)X (P) Do you agree with the first pass?What do you do now? 1) no prefer 1nt2) 1nt now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Pass. I'm playing 1NT at 1♠X anyway, so I'd rather take +100 than +90. On a good day, we score up +300, +500, or even +800. On a bad day, we give up -160. Such is life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I can live with the first pass, if I were planning to pass a reopening double later. But I think my spades are far too weak. I would have bid 1NT. On this round, I'll remove the double to 1NT, but not happily. We could easily belong in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 #1 No, I would have bid 1NT#2 Having decided to pass, I pass now as well, since I think that was my plan, passing the round before, and nothing tells me, that I should reconsider With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I would bid 1NT so the second option is not there for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 It depends on the vulns and the scoring, but all in all I agree with the first pass, and now I am going to pass again except in unfavorable when a game on our side could bring more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 IF I passed the first time, I have to pass 2nd time also I think. But 1NT on the first round sounds much better. Yes it's a slight overbid (it should be some sort of 8-10.5), but still the closest bid to the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right? Normal action is 1NT either at first oportunity or now, somewhat depending on 1NT range. If p will raise 1NT with a balanced (15)-16 I need a slightly better hand for a 1NT freebid. I could be tempted to pass under some circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?snipped No, I didn't say that Helene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?snipped No, I didn't say that Helene. Sr should have added a smiley :) Anyway, this time I don't have support for p's suit, that makes passing more attractive. BTW last time I played competition I was in 2nd class, since there is a class between the first class and the second division you could call it 5th division. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If a direct 1 NT had shown around 8 HCPS, i agree, else I had bid 1 NT.If I had to pass first, 1 NT now should show my hand and I would bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I would have bid 1N the first time, now I pass. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 1NT the first time is right on values and strength. My spades are not even close to good enough to pass the double the second time. If I did pass 1NT the first time (presumably because I believed, incorrectly, that 1NT would be an overbid) then I bid 1NT now. Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 1NT the first time is right on values and strength. My spades are not even close to good enough to pass the double the second time. If I did pass 1NT the first time (presumably because I believed, incorrectly, that 1NT would be an overbid) then I bid 1NT now. Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice. I believe that every double is theoretically passable, and every double should be passed when it looks like the best decision. If partner couldn't tolerate another pass from me, he would bid 2♠ on the second round instead of doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Passing the double of 1S could be the winning action, but it does not rate to be. On a bad day, partner is void in spades, and you are, essentially, declaring 1Sx with a trump holding of JTxxx opposite void. Not my choice. The funny thing is, in Precision, we get much weaker hands all the time, stuff like JTxxx Qxx x Jxxx When partner opens 1 club (16+), and the next call is 1 spade, it gets two passes, doubled (which doesn't show much more than 13 cards and no long suit outside of spades), we then convert to penalty. Now we have a stronger hand, and we know a little more about partner's hand. Assuming the X by opener shows 16+ (which is what I'm used to), if I'd leave it in for penalty with a 4 count, why wouldn't I with an 8 count? The logic is, with a 4 count, we don't have game without a fit, and it doesn't look like we have a fit. They don't have a fit either, except in the unlikely case that partner has a void. So if we can make 2, they're going down. And if we can't, well, why bid it? The only problem with that logic is, in this case, we're strong enough that we might have game. But 1 doubled might be good enough anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 1N the 1st time. Conditions don't matter much to me. If I pass the 1st time, I'd pass the 2nd time, because thats the only call that makes sense in context, after I shose to pass first. Maybe I'll understand in 20 years why this is wrong :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Pass the first time seems clear with a hand that undervalued for 1N and has so much length in their suit. On a good day we will be defending 1S when they are in their 5-0 or 5-1. I don't see a free 1N bid as being this weak. I would just bid 1N on the second round, pass seems like too much of a crap shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I don't think this is an appropriate hand for penalizing 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?snipped No, I didn't say that Helene. I pass, both times. And yes you did....just not to Helene. Rather than ask the question, in another attempt to ridicule someone.....it would be better to run a simulation. When you do, just run it so that in your partnerships, you do not open 11 counts or bad 12 counts in 1st/2nd seats. Since I know that partner rates to have a better than garbage opening, it will work better to leave the double in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I pass I deserve to be degraded to the 4th division, right?snipped No, I didn't say that Helene. I pass, both times. And yes you did....just not to Helene. Rather than ask the question, in another attempt to ridicule someone.....it would be better to run a simulation. When you do, just run it so that in your partnerships, you do not open 11 counts or bad 12 counts in 1st/2nd seats. Since I know that partner rates to have a better than garbage opening, it will work better to leave the double in. Hmm. Is English your native language? What I DID say way that anyone who passed the second time should be relegated to the 4th division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Quote Bid em Up: "If you tell me it isn't possible that partner has a hand such as: J10xxx Kx xx Kxxx I will tell you that you are lying. (He probably doesn't, and I may be dreaming, but....if you don't allow for it, you will never defend this hand when he does.)" Anyone who passes a 1 level takeout X here with your posted hand deserves to be relegated to the 4th division. Fwiw I would 1NT with this hand over the 1S bid. If I was called to the telephone during the auction and the wine waiter bid my hand, I would now bid 2C. Yes, English is my native language. Evidently, it is not yours, however. You are not the only one who can be a smart ass you know. Because the statement she made was, "IF I pass, then I deserve to be regulated to the 4th division." You said, "I did not say that, helene". But you did.....if she passed. I fully realized what you meant by that comment. You are implying helene is good enough not to pass. But if she did.....then she would be right there in the 4th division along with the rest of us passers, according to your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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