jtfanclub Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥ 1*: Transfer to hearts.2*: Stayman (not GF)3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers. If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #. I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods. We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1. Std is GF 2-suiter. That's what we play. Dutch 1st divsion player Dennis Ottervanger (he was my tutor at the bridge teacher education) plays it as ostensibly some game try with 6 hearts. Don't know how widespread that is. Makes sense. 2. We learn it is invitational with four spades an longer clubs. This is what we play. Later some switch to MSA. In North America it seems to be a natural GF. 3. We play it as natural. If you play 2. as natural GF, that is not necesary. I think standard is a natural notrump probe, then. Wietske van Zwol (sp?) argued in an article in the Dutch BF magazine couple of years ago that it should show shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1. GF, 5 hearts 4(+) clubs. some play it as GI (and then opener 3H is weakest reply)2. GF, 5 clubs and 4 spades3. GF (slam inv) clubs and singleton heart. promoted by Polish school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1 and 2 are nat GF 3 is shortness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1. normal is natural and FG. I happen to play it as FG in diamonds in one partnership, but that's just us being weird. 2. In all my partnerhips it is a game forcing relay, though the exact meaning differs between partnerships. I used to play it as invitational, 4 cards in the other major and longer clubs. 3. I'm a simple soul. Natural, forcing, longer clubs than hearts. I know that it's common to play 1NT - 2C - 2H - 3C as forcing with potentially 5 clubs and a 4-card major, but I've always preferred to bid my suits in their logical order. So with 5+ clubs and 4+ hearts, longer clubs than hearts, I transfer to clubs and bid hearts. (I also have a method in one partnership to show specifically 5431s with 45 in the minors) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1 and 2 are nat GF 3 is shortness agreeNotes:#3: Although some may play 3H as q-bid, shortness makes more sense. It is NOT 5♣, 4♥ because would bid stayman first. Minor transfer denies 4-card-major. #2: Cannot be extended Garbage Stayman, because would bid 2S with 5♣,4♠ and weak hand because opener may have both majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 1 is GF, specifcally 2524 or a strong 65. 2 is GF, 5+♣ GF, normally with 4♠. 3 is GF, 6+♣, ♥ shortness, something close to 3136. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 My responses are not standard but here they are anyway: 1. We play this as showing club shortage 2. We play this as an artificial slam try asking for controls. 3. We don't play transfers to a minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhall Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 We play #3 as showing high card(s) in the suit; we jump to show shortness. The other sequences we play as Fluffy indicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 1. Natural GF, 5♥'s and 4♣'s.2. Natural GF, 5+♣'x and 4♠'s.3. Shortness (normally singelton), slammish with ♣'s. Normally 3136 or x1x7, could be 2146 or 3046. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥ 1*: Transfer to hearts.2*: Stayman (not GF)3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers. If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #. I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods. We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would. 1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣ 3♣ shows a 5+ card heart suit and precisely 4 cards in either minor 2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣ 3♣ is a transfer to Diamonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 With my favorite partner, we play: 1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣GF, 5(+) hearts and a 4 card minor (I notice Hrothgar plays the same) 2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣GF, asking for side suit (3♦: no side suit, i.e. 5 hearts or 3433) 3♥: clubs; 3♠: diamonds; 3NT: spades) 3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥Slem invitation, control (but I think shortness is better) 1*: Transfer to hearts.2*: Stayman (not GF)3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Hi, #1 forcing 5-4, should also show an unbal. hand, i.e. the bid should deny 5-4-2-2#2 I would say 6 clubs, 4 spades, game forcing#3 heart values, it may or may not a move toward slam, but if opener can cooperate, e.g. via a spade cue, he should do so With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 1 and 2 are nat GF 3 is shortness agreeNotes:#3: Although some may play 3H as q-bid, shortness makes more sense. It is NOT 5♣, 4♥ because would bid stayman first. Minor transfer denies 4-card-major.<snip> Hi, I doubt that there is a hugh difference between values and shortness, but I agree, it should showeither values or shortness.Since we usually show values with our first cue bid,we show values in the given sequence. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicken Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 1.) GF followed by Danish answers (exchanged fitbids)2.) Signoff with 4-5/6 weak3.) other treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Amusingly enough, we had an extra freaky auction a few days ago.... 1NT-2♣-2♥-3♣-3NT-4♥-6♥! I don't know what it was supposed to mean, but, playing across a 12-15 NT, I had something like Jxx AKxx x AKxxx. I still don't know how to bid it right, but partner was somehow on the same wavelength. This was not the same tournament that had this auction: P-1♠-P-1NT*P-2♣-P-3NTP-4♠-P-6♠X**-P-P-P *Forcing. Well, what would you have said with a 3-3-4-3 18 count?**Opponents must have had a misunderstanding. So maybe I'm better off without agreements, except whether a bid is forcing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥ 1*: Transfer to hearts.2*: Stayman (not GF)3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers. If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #. I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods. We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would. 1. Transfer ♦, GF2. Natural GF (so 4♠5+♣)3. Cue, SI Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Amusingly enough, we had an extra freaky auction a few days ago.... 1NT-2♣-2♥-3♣-3NT-4♥-6♥! I don't know what it was supposed to mean, but, playing across a 12-15 NT, I had something like Jxx AKxx x AKxxx. I still don't know how to bid it right, but partner was somehow on the same wavelength. Ordinarily, I would expect 3♣ to deny a heart fit, but if I were your partner, I would have twigged when you bid 4♥ - strong hand, 4 hearts and 5 clubs, slam invite. With a max 1NT and fitting cards, I'd go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 1 and 2 are nat GF 3 is shortness What he said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 1. Standard: 5 hearts, 4+ clubs, G/F. Keri: 5-5, G/F2. Standard: 5 clubs, 4 spades, G/F.3. Standard: Probably heart shortness, values for game. (how I play it anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 1. GF, hearts and diamonds. With something like x AQxxx Kxxx Jxx we don't show the diamonds, we bid 3S instead (choice of games where opener will always bid 4H with 3-card support). So this auction either shows a 5-5 distribution or slam interest. 2. Natural, GF, implies 4 spades. 3. shortness in hearts, GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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