Poky Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Responder:♠Q10xxx♥K♦Jxx♣7xxx Opener:♠KJ♥AQxxxxx♦Ax♣AQ You are playing 2/1 without semi-forcing openings (2♣=GF, 2♦=multi, 2M=two-suiter) 1♥ - 1♠3♣ - Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Plenty of blame to go around on this hand. Opener's "creative" 3♣ rebid has nothing to recommend it other than it is forcing (and can lead to embarrashment---see second auction below). And north's pass of a forcing bid is hardly going to garner a lot of sympathy for his choice. although he can not take preference back to ♥'s on this auction. Best among a lot of poor choices is a 3♠ rebid or a 4♣ raise. So I rate the blame roughly equal, South for a silly jump to 3♣ to "establish a force" and North for passing the "force" that south tried to establish. This doesn't say how the bidding should go if you are less creative. After partner had enough hcp to respond, I would simply bid 4♥ with the south hand... I mean after 3♣ you could likely end up in 5♥ on something like.... 1♥ - 1♠3♣ - 4♣4♥ - 5♣5♥ - pass And we would be back here trying to rate the blame between rather or not bidding 5♣ with a stiff ♥ and four ♣'s was "right" or "wrong." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Hi! Opener should rebid 4 ♥, that the contract he wants to play.If Partner is much stronger than minimum, he will find a bid. Have a nice day hotShot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 well first 3♣seems a funny thing to bid to establish a force :blink: AND a PASS over a forcing bid should be forbidden :blink: as responder has NO idea what partner has--- with the given hand I would bid 4♣ BUT with opener's hand I would bid 4♥(crossing my fingers all the while ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 of course I meant 3 ♣by opener was a strange bid and I would have bid 4♣ by resoponer :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 100% responder.Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking. Now responder passed a forcing bid, if that was intentional then he should be told "do it again and you will have to find a new pd". The #1 rule for a partnership is respect, if a bid is forcing you can't pass. Even when pass is the only bid that leads to a reasonable result you must bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 100% responder.Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking.. Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 100% responder.Opener "invented" 3s, I don't like it but if would be unfair to punish him for being creative. He felt 3s with KJ in spades was better than 4h on AQ 7th. I disagree but can understand his thinking.. Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer). What the hell is a 3c rebid ? This partnership should see a psychoanalist, opener jump rebids on a doubleton and responder passes a forcing bid ? Blame the gods that made this two psychos play together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 What the hell is a 3c rebid ? This partnership should see a psychoanalist, opener jump rebids on a doubleton and responder passes a forcing bid ? Blame the gods that made this two psychos play together.Hehehe, my point exactly, which is why I voted 50% for each, while wishing there was a 100% for each option. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerardo Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Hi Luis, welcome to my problem of trying to tell the symbol for CLUB from the symbol for SPADE. Opener's rebid was 3 CLUBS in the proposed problem, not 3 SPADES. A hint that will help is that if people use the spade symbol provided by the system, it is BLUE while the club symbol is supposed to be Green (it looks black on my computer).In some of the previous posts, provided[COLOR=green]♣[/COLOR] was changed to[COLOR=black]♣[/COLOR]Now I changed the provided definition to be [COLOR=lime]♣[/COLOR]which is lighter than the previous definition.Black: ♣Green: ♣Lime: ♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 100 % responder. he passed a forcing bid, period. the rest doesnt matter. However, i think the bid of 3C is getting harsh treatment when it doesnt deserve it. Inquiry's auction is not possible with stiff king of hearts and 4 small clubs. Surely many many experts will JS to 3C on a 3 bagger at times (it is one of the flaws of standard bidding). how else could you bid a hand like KJx AKJxxx x AKx...i cannot think of another possible bid other than 3C. even with 6 clubs and stiff king of hearts i would let partner play hearts, stiff king is a better holding than xx. No, 3C is not too far off, and will sometimes get you to a good slam that 4H would miss (4H could be a much different hand type, such as a hand a bit too strong to open 4H). I would not choose to bid 3C with a doubleton here but with KJx AKJxxx xx AK i would also choose 3C on a 2 card suit. But to end with how i began, you cannot pass a forcing bid and if you do you are responsible for the loss of partnership trust (or partner) and anything that happens on that board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 IMO, they both made mistakes, but the responder the most: 75% of responder. 3♣ is ABSOLUTELY forcing, so pass is out of the question. He should bid 3♦ imo, partner will bid 3♠ if he has a 3 card and no stop in ♦. Responder has 4 card ♣ (should be a fit) and ♥K... BTW, I don't like the "lime-color" at all!!! The green is more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Passing a forcing bid :angry: Sometimes you have to be somewhat creativeand if you play with a pd who doesn't get that, you have a problem. :) It's almost like passing a forcing 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif opening. But that's what you get if you find your pd's at a pdship desk :P Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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