gwnn Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 BBO indy, MP, all red. you deal and pass and opps bid: 1♠-1NT2NT-3NT what would you lead from 94632Q9832762 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 4th highest of my longest and strongest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 A passive lead. Not sure which but not a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 ♦ seems useless imo, so I lead a ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I don't think that Opener has denied Ax, Kx, or even Jxx in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 4th highest of my longest and strongest I disagree strongly. I would lead my 5th best diamond ;) Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 All the Dutch seem to be leading 3/5 against NT too. I'm showing my American bridge roots and lead my fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I'm torn between leading my 4th and 5th ♦. Who is my partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 4th highest of my longest and strongest I disagree strongly. I would lead my 5th best diamond :D Roland OK, in one partnership I would lead my lowest diamond as we play attitude leads. Let me rephrase: Systemic low diamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons. Even if you establish the suit, you have no entry to cash it.Partner is marked for some HCP on the auction, we should try to find his suit.If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D My gut feeling is to lead a club, even given the fact that a diamond looks "normal". jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 If I had a singleton heart, since both opponents have denied hearts, I would happily lead them.If I had a doubleton heart, I would probably lead them. Partner might still have 5.With three hearts...well, looks like they'll be split around. Not much point.Leading clubs seems like the most likely lead to be disasterous. Responder could easily have an 8 count and a club suit on the auction. Leading spades is right out. That leaves, um, whatever that other suit is. If nothing else, it tells partner (who it seems likely has a full opener) that there's one suit he doesn't need to protect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D Maybe someone thought it was obvious not to lead a diamond and a disagreement ensued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible. I'm a strong believer in leading my best suit on this sort of auction, whether or not I've got all the high cards. Obviously it's not always right, but I've gained a surprising number of game swings in when the layout is something resembling this: AKJxxKxxAxQxx QxQJxxJxxAJxx, never mind this: AKxxxAxxxxAQx QxKxxxJxKJxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons. Wow - not a lot of ambivalence :D Pard didn't overcall over 1♣ with a fair amount of strength, so pard appears to not have a 5 card major. A diamond is pretty obvious. Pard can still have length in diamonds, or we may catch an Ax. [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :D That is the only objection to a diamond lead that makes any sense at all :( a diamond is the only lead that isn't ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons. Wow - not a lot of ambivalence B) Pard didn't overcall over 1♣ with a fair amount of strength, so pard appears to not have a 5 card major. A diamond is pretty obvious. Pard can still have length in diamonds, or we may catch an Ax. [ You saw the bidding wrong. I always lead my longest suit in here. There is a good point for leading the incorrect card from a 5 card suit when you have no entries (specially at MP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible. I'm a strong believer in leading my best suit on this sort of auction, whether or not I've got all the high cards. Obviously it's not always right, but I've gained a surprising number of game swings in when the layout is something resembling this: <snip> But, isn't this a matchpoint lead problem? How does previous experience in game swings justify it here? (I am not saying diamond is incorrect, just being nitpicky B) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons. Even if you establish the suit, you have no entry to cash it.Partner is marked for some HCP on the auction, we should try to find his suit.If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. B) My gut feeling is to lead a club, even given the fact that a diamond looks "normal". jmoo. Did you see that the scoring was MP? Even if ♦ isn't the setting lead, which I agree is quite possible given that you have no outside entries, it is still the safest lead. If a diamond is not right, yet you lead it, you'll still get around 50% as that is what I expect most defenders will lead. If you lead another suit, and it's not right, you'll be closer to 0%, as you'll be a lonely swimmer against the current. I would give some thought to my highest heart at IMPs, but here I prefer to be lazy/cautious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 What part of this: If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. B) is everyone failing to understand?!?! I will lead a club, only because a diamond is so clearly right, that the only reason the question is even posted here is that somebody led a diamond, it turned out to be wrong, and some other lead was "right". At least that was my take on it, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Hi, I sometimes try to catch partners suit,but the main problem is, I have to guess, is his suit clubs or hearts, and there is no help. Because of this, I will lead a diamond. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think a diamond is the worst possible lead you can make, for several reasons. Wow - not a lot of ambivalence B) Pard didn't overcall over 1♣ with a fair amount of strength, so pard appears to not have a 5 card major. A diamond is pretty obvious. Pard can still have length in diamonds, or we may catch an Ax. [ You saw the bidding wrong. I always lead my longest suit in here. There is a good point for leading the incorrect card from a 5 card suit when you have no entries (specially at MP) Youre right - thought LHO opened 1♣. Doesn't matter though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 What part of this: If a diamond was correct, we wouldn't be seeing this question here. :) is everyone failing to understand?!?! I will lead a club, only because a diamond is so clearly right, that the only reason the question is even posted here is that somebody led a diamond, it turned out to be wrong, and some other lead was "right". At least that was my take on it, anyway. Eh? What a ridiculous argument for shunning a diamond lead. Just because a non-diamond turns out to be a win against _some_ hand, it does not mean a diamond lead is incorrect. You are showing classic symptoms of a disease called ResultMerchantisis. I have a feeling you are kidding though :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 No offense to anyone but I consider not leading a diamond to be horrible. I'm a strong believer in leading my best suit on this sort of auction, whether or not I've got all the high cards. Obviously it's not always right, but I've gained a surprising number of game swings in when the layout is something resembling this: <snip> But, isn't this a matchpoint lead problem? How does previous experience in game swings justify it here? (I am not saying diamond is incorrect, just being nitpicky :P ) You normally get a good board for beating game, even at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 There is something to be said for a heart lead. If RHO had five hearts, he might've tried to introduce them over 2NT, and if LHO had four hearts he would probably have bid them. Neither of these applies to clubs or diamonds. So partner is fairly likely to hold some heart length on this bidding. It's also true that our hand has no entries, making it harder to set up the diamond tricks. Nonetheless, I would lead systemic small diamond here, but I think if I had one fewer diamond (and one more spade say) I would try a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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