PedroG Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hi All, I just played a game where I was prempted at the level 4 <_< more precise 4♠ I had this hand and decide to pass my partner in the end just said, what went wrong p we had 27 HCP on our line... [hv=d=e&v=n&s=shkqt4dak872caq32]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The biding was 4♠- All Pass I'm not sure, but at the time I could not find a decend bid to make, should I had said something? Thank youPedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hi All, I just played a game where I was prempted at the level 4 <_< more precise 4♠ I had this hand and decide to pass my partner in the end just said, what went wrong p we had 27 HCP on our line... [hv=d=e&v=n&s=shkqt4dak872caq32]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The biding was 4♠- All Pass I'm not sure, but at the time I could not find a decend bid to make, should I had said something? Thank youPedro I think your options are double or 4nt. Keep in mind double is just showing a good hand, it is not 100% penalty, in fact you expect partner to pull it very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 I think your options are double or 4nt. Keep in mind double is just showing a good hand, it is not 100% penalty, in fact you expect partner to pull it very often. Depends on your agreements, Mike. My regular partners rarely pull this double. Isn't 4NT the minors? That said, I double. I think I can beat it, and I'm prepared for partner to pull it to any suit. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 This is a double. We play t/o xs through 4S. Though as Peter says above, the higher the X the less likely it is to be taken out.Can't bid 4NT. That shows a 2 suited takeout, not necessarily the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 This is a double. We play t/o xs through 4S. Though as Peter says above, the higher the X the less likely it is to be taken out.Can't bid 4NT. That shows a 2 suited takeout, not necessarily the minors. In this old days, at least in my circles, 4NT was any take out that didn't want to defend 4♠x and X was quite penalty oriented and PD would only pull with a quite long suit. However, your method seems to be the modern trend. Anyhow with 23 support points 18HCP + void for any suit PD bids at the 5 level, one simply cannot pass and risk missing a laydown Grand. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I would double, which I play for penalty usually. I would expect my p to bid with points in suits other than spades and pass otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 This is a very nice hand but its not enough to insist on slam. Double and hear pard's opinion. I play all doubles of preempts as takeout, although the higher the level, the more apt he is to leave it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 X, what ever partner believesthis bid should mean (t/o orconvertible values), you have it. Partner will quite often pass, youhave 3-4 sure tricks, so you willbeat it most of the time, and if partner bids, on you have a fit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Thank you all for the answers... I may have fall in the error of evaluating my hand alone, and not thinking in partner :), never counted support points... And tough I was weak for playing at the level 5... Thanks...Pedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroG Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Found this interresting link Defense against 3-4 level preempt's TYPedro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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