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[Edmunte1]

You hold in second seat, at unfavorable:

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sq102hkj93d2cak1082]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

And bidding goes:

(1♣) - pass - (pass) - 1♥

(1♠) - ?

 

- 1♠ promises at least 4-4 in the black suits

What's your choice now and why?

[han]

I'm thinking about 2NT (limit+ with 4 trumps) and 4D (splinter). I don't want to bury partner for balancing but we need so little for game...

[foo]

I'm thinking about 2N (limit+ with 4 trumps) and 4D (splinter). I don't want to bury partner for balancing but we need so little for game...

♠ QT2 ♥ KJ93 ♦ 2 ♣ AKT82

 

(1♣) - pa - (pa) - 1♥;

(1♠!) - ??

- 1♠ promises at least 4-4 in the black suits

 

Which is why I'm simply bidding the game. Everything rates to be favorably placed for Us.

[Codo]

3 ♣ 2 ♣ 2 NT whatever shows inv+ with Hearts. Do I really need more then

Jx, AQxxx,xxx,xxx to make 4 Heart? And this example hand is quite weak for his bid. We may even have a slam opposite Kx, AQxxx,Axxx,Qxx - not that we are favourites to bid it, but I will surely bid at least game. And if he looks at xxx,AQxxx, KQJx,x and we fail to make it, so what.

[skjaeran]

4♥.

Stopping on a dime in 3♥ just making is too small a target for me at IMPs. I don't invite in these situations, just punt game.

[TimG]

I'm thinking about 2NT (limit+ with 4 trumps) and 4D (splinter). I don't want to bury partner for balancing but we need so little for game...

I think 2NT could lead to trouble -- partner could (perhaps reasonably) think that I have a strongish hand unsuitable for a direct NT overcall.

 

I think those wanting to invite game are missing the problem: we could have a slam (is x Axxxxx Axxx xx enough?). But, I think I'd give up on that and bid a practical 4♥.

[Fluffy]

I'd bid 2♠ because I don't knwo if 2♣ is natural

[Guest Jlall]

2S, planning on driving to game. Why is 2N limit+?

[Echognome]

I'm just going to bid 4♥. I don't want the opponents to be able to collect themselves any further. If opponents decide to bid again over this, then I will have the red card waiting.

[mike777]

You hold in second seat, at unfavorable:

Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ Q102 ♥ KJ93 ♦ 2 ♣ AK1082

And bidding goes:

(1♣) - pass - (pass) - 1♥

(1♠) -  ?

 

- 1♠ promises at least 4-4 in the black suits

What's your choice now and why?

2s now

 

really dislike a direct 4h, that would be much weaker hand for me. Less defense.

 

prefer direct 1heart over one club and get this hand off my chest and not trap pass.

[pclayton]

I'm jamming this to game, and if 4♦ is a splinter, thats my bid - otherwise 4♥. I don't want LHO to make a cheap raise of spades.

 

Lots of diamonds unaccounted for here.

[cnszsun]

I play fit-jump, but i'm not sure what 4♦ is. If you have a reasonable ♦ suit and some vaules, maybe you've bid last round.

Anyway, i like to bid 4♥. It must show a good hand rather than a weak hand at this kind of sequence.

Also facing a balancing 1♥ overcall, i don't think slam is that great, otherwise a splinter 4♦ bid is perfect.

[whereagles]

I'll cue and bid 3♥ next.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

make a inv.+ raise, that shows what you have

an opening hand with support, i never know,

is it 2C or 2S?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Halo]

4H

 

With just one opponent in the auction, I don't feel I need to show defence on the way. I assume partner hasn't got a red two-suiter, so there probably aren't slam prospects to protect.

[pclayton]

I play fit-jump, but i'm not sure what 4♦ is. If you have a reasonable ♦ suit and some vaules, maybe you've bid last round.

Anyway, i like to bid 4♥. It must show a good hand rather than a weak hand at this kind of sequence.

Also facing a balancing 1♥ overcall, i don't think slam is that great, otherwise a splinter 4♦ bid is perfect.

This is an excellent point. Its just about impossible to hold a hand where you need to make a fit jump here, because you didn't overcall the last round. Yet, I hate to make excpetions for these auctions - but this may be just out of laziness.

 

4♦ logically should be a splinter then, even where "all" jumps are fitted.

[nige1]

You hold in second seat, at unfavorable:

Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ Q102 ♥ KJ93 ♦ 2 ♣ AK1082

And bidding goes:

(1♣) _P (_P)  1♥

(1♠)  ?

 

- 1♠ promises at least 4-4 in the black suits

What's your choice now and why?

IMO 4♦ = 10, 3♣ = 9, 2♠ = 8, 2N = 7, 4♥ = 6, 3♥ = 3. (assuming that fit-jumps and splinters apply in this context). If you act in accord with the bible (Robson & Seagal version) , then 2N shows a pudding raise, so is less appropriate on this hand

[han]

Assuming that 4D is a splinter, why are so many people who want to force too game rejecting this option?

[foo]

Assuming that 4D is a splinter, why are so many people who want to force to game rejecting this option?

Because a splinter is basically a shape based slam probe that promises a 9+ card trump fit.

[helene_t]

If 4♦ must be a splinter due to my failure to bid before, then 3/4♣ must be a fitbid by the same argument. I'll bid some clubs if p is on that wavelength as well.

 

Otherwise I just bid 4♥. Neandertal bidding always has its charm.

[han]

Assuming that 4D is a splinter, why are so many people who want to force to game rejecting this option?

Because a splinter is basically a shape based slam probe that promises a 9+ card trump fit.

I don't get your point so you'll have to spell it out for me.

 

Is this hand not good enough?

 

Do we need more trumps?

[han]

If 4♦ must be a splinter due to my failure to bid before, then 3/4♣ must be a fitbid by the same argument. I'll bid some clubs if p is on that wavelength as well.

 

Otherwise I just bid 4♥. Neandertal bidding always has its charm.

Maybe I need coffee, I can't even follow Helene's logic!

 

I do agree that 4C can hardly be a splinter because we didn't make a TO double last round, but why is 3C necessarily a fitbid? Can't it be whatever you play (1C) - 1H - (p) - 3C as?

 

And I still don't understand why you would bid 4H when 4D is so much more descriptive.

[helene_t]

why is 3C necessarily a fitbid? Can't it be whatever you play (1C) - 1H - (p) - 3C as?

Depends what 3♣ would normally mean. Assuming that it would be a general constructive raise to the 3-level, yes, it could be that as well, unless we use 2N or 2♠ for that.

[foo]

Assuming that 4D is a splinter, why are so many people who want to force to game rejecting this option?

Because a splinter is basically a shape based slam probe that promises a 9+ card trump fit.

I don't get your point so you'll have to spell it out for me.

 

Is this hand not good enough?

 

Do we need more trumps?

Sorry, other responsibilities kept me from the forums for awhile.

 

♠ QT2 ♥ KJ93 ♦ 2 ♣ AKT82

 

Fine splinter opposite an opening bid... ...but pd didn't open, they balanced.

pd's balance can effectively be forced on some hands considerably weaker than an opening bid.

 

I want to be stronger, or be more shapely, or to have the shortness in Their Suit opposite a balancing 1♥ by pd for a splinter.

So swap the red suits or give me one less loser and I'd Splinter.

 

Since slams are rarer after They have opened the bidding in most "up the middle" systems, and since "hanging pd" is to be avoided,

 

I'm not making any slam probes with this hand, I'm simply bidding game.

I think that's the practical percentage action with this hand.

[Edmunte1]

My bid was 4♦, splinter, and no extras (14- hcp). LHO bid 4♠ and my partner who held [hv=s=s65hq10872dakq75c3]133|100|[/hv]

bid 5♥, one down. He considered 4♦ not a good bidding argueing that it should show controls in both black suits, and considering 3♣ then game as a much better bid.

What's your opinion about this?